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P1007 - número na Plataforma Lattes

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AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Hi, strange question, but are you Template:Pikolas? Did you proposed the creation of P1007? I'm having trouble to understand the potential issue/value constraint to all items that present this property. The single value seems to be correct in all cases. Thank you AmarilisMGC (talk) 20:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Olá! Sim, fui eu. Você pode me mostrar o problema em algum item que você esteja trabalhando?

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Agradeço por responder, @NMaia! Não consigo mandar print da tela com problema que encontrei ontem, mas agora vi que já está resolvido. A única restrição que resta agora é a de incluir a propriedade P69 (alma mater). Olhei agora inclusive a página da P1007 e um erro em vermelho no final da página já não consta também.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Eu contatei alguém mais experiente que resolveu o problema agora a pouco. Que bom que deu certo!

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Que bom! Agradeço!

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Oi, @NMaia:. Desculpe escrever de novo sobre isso, mas voltei a identificar o problema de exigência de referência para o ID Lattes. Semana passada eu vi o problema e hoje de novo no ID que criei: Q105509142. Obrigada.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Oi! Sem problemas! A ideia de adicionar uma referência é só pra que possa se certificar 1) que se trata realmente daquela pessoa e não alguém de mesmo nome 2) que o CV no Lattes é "oficial", ou seja, escrito pelo próprio.

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Entendi. Achava que IDs não precisavam de referência. Posso usar o próprio link do currículo?

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Muitos IDs não precisam, porque dá pra confiar que os mantenedores da base de dados garantem a fiabilidade dos dados. Mas como qualquer um pode editar a plataforma Lattes, não existe essa garantia. No caso, usar o próprio link do CV seria uma referência circular e não ajudaria muito. O ideal seria encontrar por exemplo um site oficial do autor, ou uma página (p. exemplo nas redes sociais) onde o autor divulga o link do próprio CV.

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

Certo. Teoricamente a senha para editar o Lattes é intransferível, mas vou seguir sua sugestão e buscar na Biblioteca virtual da Fapesp ou no site das faculdades a menção e link ao currículo para comprovar o ID. De toda forma, sua preocupação com a confiabilidade coloca em xeque usar o ID Lattes como referência para declarçaões sobre formação acadêmica, idiomas de fala e escrita (que em geral só encontramos no Lattes) entre outras informações. Ou para essa finalidade, não seria uma problema?

NMaia (talkcontribs)

De fato não seria a melhor fonte pra essas informações, e provavelmente as Wikipédias também não aceitariam como fonte. Eu sugeriria evitar usar como referência, visto que até ministro mente no Lattes hehe

AmarilisMGC (talkcontribs)

É um sério problema não confiar no Lattes, porque as próprias instituições muitas vezes extraem as informações de lá e daí entramos em um círculo fechado, porque não recomenda-se acreditar no Lattes como fonte de informação, mas sim no site institucional que, por sua vez, se baseia no Lattes. Agradeço pela atenção.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Se uma instituição se baseia no Lattes, isso me diz que ou eles confiam na autenticidade das informações do autor lá ou possivelmente fizeram um esforço pra checar as informações. Isso talvez já seja suficiente pra que haja certa fiabilidade no conteúdo. Mais detalhes aqui: :pt:Wikipédia:Fontes_confiáveis#Fonte_primária

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So9q (talkcontribs)
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Opening hours used in German Wikivoyage

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RolandUnger (talkcontribs)

After the addition of opening time (P8626) and closing time (P8627) I wrote the Lua module Hours (Q99600452) which makes opening hours, stored at Wikidata, available for establishment listings at the German Wikivoyage. The stand-alone module can be used both with other Lua modules or with an invoke call in a template and can be easily translated. The module produces a compact output with short or abbreviated names and clustered time periods as far as possible which can be learned form the documentation of the module mentioned.

The module is already for productive purposes. There are some maintenance categories to watch the module's operation. A special feature is used which we already added to other Wikidata data-fetching modules in a similar manner: For common ids we are using a table to prevent fetching from Wikidata which is time consuming. --RolandUnger (talk) 07:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

NMaia (talkcontribs)

That's great news, Roland. I created the proposal imagining it could be useful for Wikivoyage, and I'm happy to see this new development. I don't know if the German Wikivoyage has a listing template similar to the English Wikivoyage, but it would be neat if such a template allowed importing existing hours data into Wikidata. Would it be feasible?

RolandUnger (talkcontribs)

Of course there is a listing template at the German Wikivoyage: it is named vCard. The usage is similar to other Wikivoyage language branches but the programming is completely different. The script is completely programmed in Lua with about 10,000 lines supporting more than 70 template parameters and fetching more than 60 Wikidata properties. The Lua script can only import data from Wikidata, not do Wikidata.

We are planning to export data to Wikidata, maybe with the listing editor for individual listings or with a bot script. The data has to be correct before exporting to Wikidata which has to be proved by authors. There are a lot of maintenance categories which make it possible to detect formally wrong data already now. Within the next time we will look for an opportunity to analyze the manually entered hours and to mark entries which cannot be transferred. We will start with the investigation of used, or meaningless of (commonly) misspelled terms.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

By the way, you might already know this, but the property state of use (P5817) might come in handy in Wikivoyage to override any opening hours in case the establishment is in fact closed temporarily due to the pandemic, for instance.

NMaia (talkcontribs)
RolandUnger (talkcontribs)
RolandUnger (talkcontribs)
NMaia (talkcontribs)

The way I've been handling this is by adding reference URL (P854) together with retrieved (P813). This allows users to know when that information was valid. In fact, I wanted to make retrieved (P813) mandatory but unless I'm mistaken it seems Wikibase doesn't allow creating constraints for 'reference statements'.


I think this approach can be clearer to data consumers. What do you think?


To make your life easier, I recommend enabling the gadget currentDate found in your preferences (if you haven't already).

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Islands vs. administrative entities

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Seav (talkcontribs)

I noticed that you ran a QS batch to add OSM relation IDs. In some cases you added the OSM relation ID for the island to the Wikidata item for the administrative entity. This batch probably needs to be reviewed. Sometimes the island has a separate Wikidata item from the administrative entity (ex. Jersey (Q785) vs. Jersey (Q15706498)) and these need to be connected to the correct OSM relation (island relation vs. admin relation). In other cases, the island is combined with the admin entity into just one Wikidata item (ex. Bonaire (Q25396)) and these might need to be split into two items and then connected to the correct OSM relations (island relation vs. admin relation).

NMaia (talkcontribs)
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Aubrey (talkcontribs)

Thanks, my original list of items from it.source is not totally clean, so I made some mistakes here and there. Will check it now.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

No worries :)

Acebarry (talkcontribs)
NMaia (talkcontribs)

Hi there! Thanks for bringing a citation. That one isn't appropriate because by having a social media account tied to a person on Wikidata, it would mean that account is official, which RMS denies.

Sarvathi (talkcontribs)
2804:14D:5C8E:87BE:0:0:0:15 (talkcontribs)

Hi! It's a big task, I can do it but not any time soon due to time constraints.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

(this comment was mine)

LucaBiondi (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your vote! bye Luca

Trilotat (talkcontribs)

I stumbled upon P5095 and have questions. This property doesn't seem to fulfill the original intent. There is a lot WD items pointing to it, but not many items using it. The example wikipedia article, 2007 Peru earthquake (Q210981), no longer includes the property in the infobox. I wonder why. I would guess, maybe, the infobox is looking for "plate" names, but the property is "faults". I think the infobox needs the plate names, but I'm not sure the WD (or the WP) terms are clear enough to pull this together. If there's a better place to conduct this discussion, please let me know.

NMaia (talkcontribs)

Hi! I'm not actively involved in the use of that property anymore, so I think you can raise that concern in the property's talk page and {{Ping}} the people involved in the discussion.

218.103.196.5 (talkcontribs)

[[Property talk:P3789#Allow private groups to be linked]]

189.222.140.181 (talkcontribs)