User talk:Shisma/Archive 1

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Fictional issue with e.g. USS Enterprise

Please continue discussion at the project chat. I'm not amused by the current edit war. --Izno (talk) 20:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

start time (P580) of Universe (Q1)

Heya, just wanted to let you know I removed the start time (P580) claim on Universe (Q1), seeing as how it's basically redundant with the inception (P571) claim. Cheers! :) -- Schneelocke (talk) 15:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

has it been created or did it just start? thats a big question ^^ --Shisma (talk) 15:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Something doesn't have to be created to be incepted (inceived?). Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Has part

You should avoid using "has part". Instead, favor the inverse relation part of (P361). Thanks. --Izno (talk) 21:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

in what case should I use has part(s) (P527) then? --Shisma (talk) 22:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion, never :). You should always be able to make the inverse relation, and that minimizes the number of properties on "higher level" pages. But if you were to use it, it would be because it was literally impossible to use "part of", something I'm not sure is ever the case. --Izno (talk) 22:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, here's a good use: brushed DC electric motor (Q588523). --Izno (talk) 01:08, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

== character role (P453) ==

Your uses of character role (P453) have been incorrect. The property is only supposed to be used as a qualifier of cast member (P161). --Yair rand (talk) 10:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

oh, why not also for characters (P674) --Shisma (talk) 12:26, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Characters don't actually have "roles", in the sense being used here, exactly. They might fit some kind of standard function, but they aren't playing a role of a particular character. Note that overlap between multiple meanings of the word "role" that exist in English will not likely exist in all other languages. --Yair rand (talk) 13:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

ah, ic. good point! thank you --Shisma (talk) 17:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

== filming location (P915) ==

Hi! This property has now been created. Please add any language labels if you can. Danrok (talk) 19:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

== inspired by (P941) ==

Hello! This property you proposed has now been created. I used the word inspired, instead of influence, in the description because influence can be something else, and might cause confusion. --Danrok (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

thank you :)--Shisma (talk) 09:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Unicode characters as aliases

Hi, I see you have recently been adding Unicode characters as English aliases for some items (e.g. check mark (Q1143561), pencil (Q14674)). I don't think this is appropriate, because aliases are alternative names meant to make searching easier (see Help:Aliases and the definition at Wikidata:Glossary#Language_attributes). Unicode symbols are not names, and I doubt many people would search for an item using a Unicode character.

On the other hand, adding the characters to statements using Unicode character (P487) seems very helpful. Please keep doing that. --Avenue (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I kindof agree. But people would search is not the primary use case of wikidata. But also in this case: when I see this thing: 🍩 (which is a square in windows 7 by default). I copy and paste it to my preferred search engine: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%F0%9F%8D%A9 and it will tell me what it means.

But I agree that the character shouldn't be both in the statement and alias --Shisma (talk) 12:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Searching is the primary use case for aliases - see the definition I linked above. If you don't believe me, we can ask for others' opinions at Help talk:Aliases. --Avenue (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

no, thanks. I believe you ^^--Shisma (talk) 17:38, 2 October 2013 (UTC)^^

@Avenue: I'm not sure I agree, in some specific cases, can't Unicode characters be valid aliases? I'm thinking about symbol items like Mars symbol (Q498282). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Sorry for the slow reply; I'm not active on Wikidata anymore. I agree with you that the Mars symbol probably does make sense as an alias, and there are no doubt other similar cases. --Avenue (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

MusicBrainz Artist ID = BBC Music Artist ID

Hi, I saw your message here and I think the easiest option would be if you would propose a new property for "BBC Music Artist ID", and then keep it up to date with a bot.--Micru (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

nope. bad idea. would be 100% redundant--Shisma (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Unicode character (P487) as 🇯🇵?

Hi,

I just saw that you Unicode character (P487) = 🇯🇵 on Japan (Q17). I think this claim would be better on flag of Japan (Q43175) as the Regional Indicator Symbol wer created for flags and not contries. Can I move this claim?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. The Regional Indicators weren't created for flags but to indicate regions (things that have a ISO 3166 country code).

… an implementation might recognize F + R and display this combination with a symbol representing the flag of France.

[1]. An application or font might also use the outline of the country or the coat of arms. Just because apple decided to show flags on their phones, does not mean these characters are ment for flags--Shisma (talk) 09:53, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the precision and the source.

Then could you add these symboles to all countries (and not only japan).

And should we have both on countries and flags items or should we remove this on flags items?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I think national flags shouldn't have this property with regional indicators as value. Other characters that exclusively represent flags are:

• ⛿
• ⚑
• 🏳
• ⚐ (which was already in white flag (Q252661) ^^)
• 🏁
• 🏴

I agree that every country should have it. And I would of course help put it to all the entities, even though I think a bot could to it. Every entity that uses ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code (P297) could be automatically assigned with the correct region indicator Unicode character (P487). --Shisma (talk) 20:12, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Guinan

Why? Probably because of wrong polish label of Q28020127. In english it is fictional humanoid, but in polish (which i'm using) it's fikcyjny gatunek humanoida which means something like fictional humanoid species. Guinan is not a species, so i removed it. After your revert i can see, that pl-label of Q28020127 should probably be fikcyjny humanoid, with no gatunek part. thanks, Piastu (talk) 08:09, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Changed – no more species in pl-label, this should help avoiding mistakes like mine, regards Piastu (talk) 08:16, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Piastu:: fictional humanoid species has its own entity → fictional humanoid species (Q24286894) which does not have a polish label yet. 😉 --Shisma (talk) 08:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

thx for hint.pl-label added, Piastu (talk) 08:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

benutzt Crassulaceen-Säurestoffwechsel

Hallo Shisma, bitte noch einen Einzelnachweis hinzufügen. Ich vermute mal deine Ergänzungen von heute beruhen auf de:Liste der Familien mit CAM-Pflanzen. Gruß --Succu (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Richtig. Was muss ich in dem Fall als Referenz angeben? Einfach reference URL? --Shisma (talk) 14:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Für die Gattungen kannst du Crassulacean Acid Metabolism 1975–2000, a Check List (Q56269297) verwenden. Für das bei den Familien verwendete Buch fehlt noch ein Datenobjekt. --Succu (talk) 16:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Kleiner Hinweis: diese Nachweise gehören zusammen. Danke für deine Mühe. Gruß --Succu (talk) 18:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== Mem (L22888) ==

Hi! IPA is property of the form, because every form has different pronounciation. KaMan (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Your wikia identifier property request

Hello, I have just removed your request for wikia id because of problem in format of your request. Please consider recreating the request properly. C933103 (talk) 22:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Is "Carthago delenda est" a meme and do you have a reference to back that up?

In the current version of Carthago delenda est (Q611895) I see no references in the wikidata item that backs up that the item is a meme. I also checked the English Wikipedia article that is linked to from the item and also found no indication that it is a meme.(not even a Category:Memes which I usually scout for. I also checked the talk page archives and found no reference to the word "meme") I contact you because you made this edit adding the claim that "Carthago delenda est" is a meme. Dbfyinginfo (talk) 00:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

it is probably not. 👍 --Shisma (talk) 07:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)