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Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

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Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 November or Thursday, 10 November 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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The Structured Data on Commons team has begun beta testing of the first feature, multilingual file captions, and all community members are invited to test it out. Captions is based on designs discussed with the community and the team is looking forward to hearing about testing. If all goes well during testing, captions will be turned on for Commons around the second week of January, 2019.

Multilingual captions are plain text fields that provide brief, easily translatable details of a file in a way that is easy to create, edit, and curate. Captions are added during the upload process using the UploadWizard, or they can be added directly on any file page on Commons. Adding captions in multiple languages is a simple process that requires only a few steps.

The details:

  • There is a help page available on how to use multilingual file captions.
  • Testing will take place on Beta Commons. If you don’t yet have an account set up there, you’ll need one.
  • Beta Commons is a testbed, and not configured exactly like the real Commons site, so expect to see some discrepancies with user interface (UI) elements like search.
  • Structured Data introduces the potential for many important page changes to happen at once, which could flood the recent changes list. Because of this, Enhanced Recent Changes is enabled as it currently is at Commons, but with some UI changes.
  • Feedback and commentary on the file caption functionality are welcome and encouraged on the discussion page for this post.
  • Some testing has already taken place and the team are aware of some issues. A list of known issues can be seen below.
  • If you discover a bug/issue that is not covered in the known issues, please file a ticket on Phabricator and tag it with the “Multimedia” tag. Use this link to file a new task already tagged with "Multimedia."

Known issues:

Thanks!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk), for the Structured Data on Commons Team 20:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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Structured Data - copyright and licensing statements

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I've posted a second round of designs for modeling copyright and licensing in structured data. These redesigns are based off the feedback received in the first round of designs, and the development team is looking for more discussion. These designs are extremely important for the Commons community to review, as they deal with how copyright and licensing is translated from templates into structured form. I look forward to seeing you over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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Structured Data - IRC office hour today, 1 November

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The above message says 1 October in the body when it should say 1 November, as the subject line says. Apologies for making a new section by mass message, it's the only way to get this out quickly. See you in twenty minutes! -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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Structured Data - IRC office hour today, 1 November

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There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Commons today, 1 October 2018, from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find date/time conversion, as well as a link to join the chat in your browser if needed, on the IRC Office hours page on Meta. I realize this may be short notice for some people; I am experimenting with advanced notice times to see what works best for the most people, I'll be giving more warning before the next office hour. I look forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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Structured Data - search prototype

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Structured Data - IRC office hours today, 4 October

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There will be an IRC office hour for Structured Data on Commons today, 4 October 2018, from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. You can find date/time conversion, as well as a link to join the chat in your browser if needed, on the IRC Office hours page on Meta. I look forward to seeing you there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Structured Data - upcoming changes to viewing old file page revisions

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How old revisions of file pages work are likely going to have to change for structured data. There is information about the change on the SDC hub talk page, please read it over and leave feedback if you have any. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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New discussion on Commons talk:Structured data

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Multichill (talkcontribs)

URI is http, not https, just like the Wikidata URI for this item is http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1455955 . It's just a redirect so for the human centered formatter URL we send people straight to the https. So both fields on VIAF ID (P214) are filled out correctly:

Is the wdtn: generating code accidentally using formatter URL (P1630) instead of formatter URI for RDF resource (P1921)?

Smalyshev (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Yeah I see the difference but I am not sure why it's the case? I think WDQS normalizes all VIAF URIs into https version. I am not sure why http version is declared for RDF export, is there any reason for that?

Multichill (talkcontribs)
Smalyshev (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I see. So I imagine that means we should normalize to http, not https. I'll see how easy it would be to make it work.

Multichill (talkcontribs)

No, you shouldn't normalize at all. Just generate the respective url's based on what is set in the different formatter properties.

Smalyshev (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Not normalizing means we'd have two sets of URIs, http and https... not optimal. Also, it looks like changing this may require full DB reload. If so, this may take time :(

Multichill (talkcontribs)

By definition the URI http://viaf.org/viaf/5853377 is not the same as https://viaf.org/viaf/5853377 so changing either of them is wrong. It's either one so I don't understand why we would end up with two sets of URI's. Or do you mean one half with incorrect https URI and one half with correct http URI?

Probably time to make a bug for this in phabricator or did you already do that? Do you happen to know in what change this normalization was added?

See also Property talk:P1921#Incorrect URI's

Smalyshev (WMF) (talkcontribs)

By definition it's not the same, but people are not always supplying clean data according to definitions. Especially before RDF formatting URLs were even established. The normalization is several years old and probably predates "formatter URI for RDF resource" property itself.

Yes, we can make Phabricator task and continue the discussion there, it'd be better probably.

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