Wikidata:Property proposal/BIBSYS work ID
BIBSYS work ID
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control
| Description | identifier for works in BIBSYS |
|---|---|
| Represents | BIBSYS (Q4584301) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | Q3331189 |
| Allowed values | \d{13}02202 |
| Example 1 | Den lille prinsen (Q50476449) → 999424905504702202 |
| Example 2 | Det kommunistiske manifest (Q57313148) → 999917865054702202 |
| Example 3 | Væbner og ridder (Q57303054) → 990422162814702202 |
| Source | http://bokhylla.no/ |
| Planned use | For works imported from the Norwegian National Library |
| Number of IDs in source | 100,000+ |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.oria.no/?vid=NB&search=$1 |
| Robot and gadget jobs | My bot will add plenty of editions with this ID once ready |
| See also | NORAF ID (P1015) for persons and organizations |
Motivering/begrunnelse
editThese are the unique identifiers for editions of works in BIBSYS, including the national bibliography. The formatter URL is a bit weird and may not be stable, but the IDs themselves are definitely stable. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 14:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Discussion
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Comment How does this it relate to the ones used by nb.no (https://www.nb.no/items/da2edaa337608e80ba21b142fb7367c8)? I would not expect the IDs above to be stable in the long run. They are only used within a system with a limited contract between the Norwegian government and the supplier (as far as I know). Abbe98 (talk) 16:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- To add to the confusion Viktoria seams to have three different ids, 999920454683102201, BIBSYS_ILS71552488400002201, 71552488400002201, and I expect it to have yet another one at nb.no. Abbe98 (talk) 16:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Yeah, it's a real mess. I'm working from the OAI-PMH bibliographical data, and there identifiers like the one proposed here are the ones that are used as the actual identifiers for the works (editions). Take a look e.g. here. However, those identifiers end in …02201, and not …02202, which is what you find from Bokhylla.no (where I got these examples). For the OAI-PMH data, the ID I listed for Den lille prinsen (Q50476449) doesn't work, but if you change the final "2" to a "1", it does. Since they're used there I believe they are stable, but you could be right about it being the contractor's system's ID and not the National Library's ID. We are meeting someone from the National Library who hopefully knows a bit about this on Tuesday, I will ask her if she can enlighten us. In any case I believe we need an ID to point to them, but which one that should be used is an open question at the moment. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- The URMs in the OAI-PHM response should be stable, but honestly I have ended up being even more confused. I'm guessing that we will end up with at least two different properties. Great that you are meeting with them, hopefully they have a policy for IDs and URIs. Libraries are usually quite good at that. Abbe98 (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Yeah, it's a real mess. I'm working from the OAI-PMH bibliographical data, and there identifiers like the one proposed here are the ones that are used as the actual identifiers for the works (editions). Take a look e.g. here. However, those identifiers end in …02201, and not …02202, which is what you find from Bokhylla.no (where I got these examples). For the OAI-PMH data, the ID I listed for Den lille prinsen (Q50476449) doesn't work, but if you change the final "2" to a "1", it does. Since they're used there I believe they are stable, but you could be right about it being the contractor's system's ID and not the National Library's ID. We are meeting someone from the National Library who hopefully knows a bit about this on Tuesday, I will ask her if she can enlighten us. In any case I believe we need an ID to point to them, but which one that should be used is an open question at the moment. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Support David (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby (WMNO), ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Abbe98: 
Done: BIBSYS work ID (P6211). − Pintoch (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Pintoch: Thanks! Although, from the discussion above, I'm not 100 % certain that this is the right ID format to use, but that's not a big problem, I can just change the property if it turns out to be incorrect. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)