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Wikidata:Property proposal/Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (new scheme)

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Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

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Descriptionperson's ID at Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital encyclopedia (new 16-digit scheme)
RepresentsQ52148147
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), family (Q8436)
Allowed values[0-9]{16}
Example 1Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Cruse (Q1038108) → 0000000004025134
Example 2Arthur Poelchau (Q54304936) → 0000000002239534
Example 3Karl Hugenberger (Q16360763) → 0000000002417214
Planned usemigrate new scheme identifiers from P2580 (P2580) to new property, and restore P2580 (P2580) in its original state
Formatter URLhttps://bbld.de/$1
See alsoP2580 (P2580)

Motivation edit

The resource for P2580 (P2580) has changed its URL pattern and identifiers a while ago (see Property talk:P2580), and there is continuous hassle about what to do with the old property and its identifiers. We usually keep the old identifiers and deactivate the links by deprecating the formatter URL, and I suggest to do this here as well. Users should use this newly proposed property for the new, 16-digit identifier format.
Quite some values can be migrated from the old scheme property where they currently violate the format constraint; after that has been done, it should be brought to its original state. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  •   Question is this a reliable resource? We seem to receive considerable disruption and abuse from its proponents and identifiers are changed in an erratic manner. As some identifiers seem to be isni based, it would be sufficient to add the formatter url to that property. Wikidata aims to include links to reliable resources and not just random webpages. --- Jura 18:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Look here about links strukture. Unfortunately, my German is worse than my English Arachn0 (talk) 18:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • IMO it does not matter that we have experienced considerable disruption in connection with P2580 (P2580); I also expect/hope that disruptions would abate once this new property is created, as unexperienced users (and the globally blocked user) would then be able to use the new property, rather than trying to usurp the old one which clearly isn’t desired. Please also note that the resource is linked from Wikipedias, partially through resource-specific templates—see Template:BBLD (Q23265105).
      Some identifiers are ISNI-based, but not all are; formatting is different for the (non-spaced) 16-digit BBLD-ID "ISNIs" and the regular ISNIs. How would a third-party formatter on ISNI (P213) look like that provides working links? How would we make sure that they are only offered for those items that actually have an entry in BBLD? —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Resources are generally only as good as people who promote them. Here clearly there is a problem, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to spend WMF resources to support what might be a problematic venture (any property creation implicitly does that).
        Templates could attempt to determine the links based on the presence of the former property and ISNI. --- Jura 19:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support BBL is a reliable resource. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  On hold see remark by Kristbaum. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:13, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can't really support this proposal any more, until there is some clarification about the whole situation. This is the BBLD position. --Kristbaum (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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