Wikidata:Property proposal/Most valuable player
Most valuable player edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports
Not done
| Description | The player who was chosen as the most value player of a tournament or of a match. |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Template parameter | "player" in en:template:Infobox international football competition --> |
| Example | UEFA Euro 2012 (Q22669) → Andrés Iniesta (Q43729) |
| Source | external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc. |
| Planned use | Add to all the items that their English article has the template |
| Robot and gadget jobs | Yes |
| See also | statistical leader (P3279) |
- Motivation
We need a property to show who was chosen as the most value player of a tournament or of a match. Is not always the statistical leader (with a criterion). Sometime some specialist choose the MVP according to many criterion or just one (like the hat-trick or to keep a clean sheet under resounding pressure). Please read the articles of most valuable player award (Q652965) and player of the match (Q1378679). This property applies to many sports, not just football. (There is also a best young player award. I don't know if I must propose another property.) Xaris333 (talk) 14:39, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Discussion
Comment. One may use statistical leader (P3279) or significant person (P3342). Thierry Caro (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Thierry Caro: hello. Just tell me how to use statistical leader (P3279) to show that someone was selected as the MVP of a tournament. There is no a criterion. A group of specialist decided who is the a MVP. We don't know if the player is selected based on a statistical record. And please give an example how to use significant person (P3342). Xaris333 (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Oppose, per the solution I outlined in Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2016/12#Best player and best young player. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- You are answer is not solving the problem. Xaris333 (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
- The description shouldn't simply state the name of the property but do more. ChristianKl (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, as there are many awards given in various sports for superlative players or teams in events. Currently, one can add award received (P166) to the recipient. If we need an inverse property, then we should create an 'awarded to' property which is then added to the award item, but I'm not sure even this is needed. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 09:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Support if we are looking for usability then MVP/Best-on-(field|ground)/... makes perfect sense where it is awarded/judged. It seems that contributors would most likely enter the sporting result with all its components: teams playing, scores, date, best player, ... — and that is then how they are likely to want to retrieve that data. To me it doesn't make sense to put half the detail about an event in one spot, then put the MVP component against the player themself in another spot referring back to the primary event. Keep it together! If someone was constructing form input/import, that definitely is the case of how it would be best constructed. The addition and usability should clearly be considered. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)- Oppose, use
- @Snipre, Josh Baumgartner, Xaris333, Pigsonthewing, billinghurst, Thierry Caro: Not done. Follow Snipre's suggestion:
- significant person (P3342) = XXX
- Qualifier: award received (P166) = most valuable player award (Q652965) or player of the match (Q1378679). ChristianKl (talk) 20:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment somehow, these conversations and decisions with a determinant process need to flow back to pages like Wikidata:WikiProject Sports, or maybe something like Help:Sports. Otherwise this conversation will occur again, OR we have people doing their own individual 'innovations' of what they think is right. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)