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Wikidata:Property proposal/Number of works accessible online

number of works accessible onlineEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

DescriptionA qualifier on external identifiers, for the number of works in a collection or items in a database which are freely accessible online (if different from P3740)
Data typeQuantity
Domainqualifier on external identifier statements (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example 1Amānullāh Khān (Q153620): PM20 folder ID (P4293) -> pe/000435,
qualifier: number of works (P3740) → 57,
qualifier: number of works accessible online → 39
Example 2Mahatma Gandhi (Q1001): PM20 folder ID (P4293) -> pe/005823,
qualifier: number of works (P3740) → 669,
qualifier: number of works accessible online → 337
Example 3Bertrand Russell (Q33760): PM20 folder ID (P4293) -> pe/015210,
qualifier: number of works (P3740) → 254,
qualifier: number of works accessible online → 6
Planned usein combination with number of works (P3740), when not all works in a collection are accessible online (e.g., due to intellectual property rights or embargo periods)

Motivation

Currently, about 8000 items link to folders of the 20th century press archives (Q36948990), which comprise scanned press clippings, sometimes only a few, sometimes thousands of them. However, due to intellectual property restrictions, parts - or even all - of the clippings may not be accessible on the web, but only on the premises of ZBW. Both numbers are relevant to users, who want to look up the external resources, and I want to add them as qualifiers. A question in the project chat did not result in any hints how that could be solved with existing properties, so this proposal. I suppose that this situation occurs for other collections, too. Jneubert (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Update: A list of items with links to PM20 folders ready to be qualified with P3740 and the proposed property is available here. Jneubert (talk) 10:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

T.seppelt (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) GerardM (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Framawiki (please notify !) (talk) BrillLyle (talk) 10:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) salgo60 Salgo60 (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Eihel (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC) NAH

  Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control, Beat Estermann Vladimir Alexiev Ilya Fralambert Sadads Astinson Strakhov Zeromonk Spinster Wittylama Daniel Mietchen Susannaanas Sic19 Jason.nlw Carlojoseph14 YULdigitalpreservation MB-one Ouvrard MartinPoulter Missvain VIGNERON Ainali Birk Weiberg Pmt Mauricio V. Genta Smallison ProtoplasmaKid 2le2im-bdc Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton Ivanhercaz VisbyStar Patafisik Beireke1 Vahur Puik Ettorerizza Sp!ros Alexmar983 Epìdosis Buccalon Mrtngrsbch Eothan Giaccai NAH

  Notified participants of WikiProject Cultural heritage Pinging projects possibly interested in this property, hoping for additional eyes on the proposal. Jneubert (talk) 10:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

John Samuel: You mean, using number of works (P3740) for the total number of works, and number of records (P4876) for those which are available online? I suppose nobody would understand why two differing numbers are given there, and from the property names and descriptions nobody would be able to tell the difference. Jneubert (talk) 18:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Jneubert, ArthurPSmith I am wondering how can we create a generic qualifier for the two (both works as well as records). Why the focus only on works and not on records? John Samuel 21:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
John Samuel: I had considered naming the new property "number of items accessible online", in order to have a more generic name. But I was not sure if it would be used outside the domain of creative works (couldn't think of an actual use case), while number of works (P3740) has currently 25,872 uses. So proposed to name the new property "number of works accessible online", while extending that in the description with "or items in a database". Perhaps we could mention explicitely (e.g. in Wikidata usage instructions (P2559)) that the property is intended to be used in combination with number of works (P3740) or number of records (P4876), if not all items are accessible online. Jneubert (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support I think this is a good idea. John Samuel - I guess you could use number of records (P4876) but it seems it would need a qualifier of some sort ("works available online") as generally these online systems have several different kinds of records, and we can't have qualifiers of qualifiers! ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 11:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Jneubert, YULdigitalpreservation, ArthurPSmith:   Done: number of works accessible online (P5592). − Pintoch (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2018 (UTC)