Wikidata:Property proposal/TLG work ID

TLG work ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Not done

Description	work identifier in the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae canon
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Greek literary works from Homer to 1453
Allowed values	for authors: 4 digit number; for works: 3 digit number
Example	Iliad (Q8275) → 0012.001
Format and edit filter validation	3 digit number
Source	http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/tlgauthors/post_tlg_e.php
Formatter URL	http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/Iris/inst/browser.jsp#doc=tlg&aid='''[TLG author ID]'''&wid=$1&st=0

Motivation

The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (Q2131030) has the most comprehensive and scientifically useful database of Ancient and Byzantine Greek literature, ranging from Homer to the end of the Byzantine period (1453). It is widely used in the scholarly community, mainly for those working at universities, because access to the database is restricted. For the whole of the TLG database, you need an (expensive) subscription; part of the Canon, the "TLG Abridged", is available for free but requires registration.

A formatter URL would be impractical because access to the TLG Canon is restricted (as described above). But it still technically is an external ID, not only a string.

In order to be useful as an external ID, this property would have to somehow be linked with the corresponding author ID (see Wikidata:Property proposal/TLG author ID). Maybe this is possible by parsing the TLG author ID from the item linked at the work with author (P50). For example: For the Iliad, which has author (P50)Homer (Q6691), we could extract the TLG author ID from Homer (Q6691) to create the complete formatter URL. Is that possible? Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Hi Jonathan Groß - if this property is approved I could add a parser for the id to my "wikidata external id redirector" - however I'm somewhat concerned about the access rights issue here - do we have the right to import their id's into wikidata? ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. The TLG numbers are not exactly clandestine (Homer is cited here for example), but are not easy to get a hold of. I've written an e-mail to TLG support asking if they are willing to provide a list of their numbers. Let's see how they respond. Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathan Groß: Did you get any response from them? Do you think this property is still needed? ChristianKl (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So far no answer. We should forgo creation of this property for the time being. We can archive this proposal, I think. Jonathan Groß (talk) 10:12, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathan Groß, ArthurPSmith: Not done, for now given Jonathan's last comment. In case the facts of the matter change, feel free to readd the property proposal. ChristianKl (talk) 10:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]