Wikidata:Property proposal/Who's on First ID (WOFID)

Who's on First ID (WOFID) edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place

Done: Who's on First ID (P6766) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Identifier from the Who's on First database. Who's On First is a gazetteer of all the places in the world.
Represents	Who's On First (Q57967241)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item (instances of geographic location (Q2221906))
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	New York City (Q60) → 85977539
Example 2	Helcmanovce (Q1186980) → 101843889
Example 3	Čebovce (Q338024) → 101785253
Example 4	Gaël (Q216544) → 101883255
Source	https://www.whosonfirst.org/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Number of IDs in source	26 million
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://spelunker.whosonfirst.org/id/$1/

Motivation edit

Who's on First already includes wikidata in the concordances. Adding this property would add a reverse reference from Wikidata to Who's on First. The entire Who's on First database can be downloaded so a bot could be created to import all of the external ids into Wikidata. U+1F360 (talk) 03:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support David (talk) 07:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. At first sight this is a very useful resource. But, for example, they link their 101750467 to Birmingham (Q2256); and not their 85684283. This is the opposite of what one would expect (compare the two shape files), and could cause problems for us in future. [As an side, I'm a Birmingham resident born and bred, and do not recognise the former boundary in any context.] Some analysis of the frequency of such issues, and how to resolve them, is needed before we decide whether to make his property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pigsonthewing: I didn't mean to imply that Who's on First is a source of truth. I think it's totally acceptable if we decide that the id should be different, or if we have multiple ids (as in, one Wikidata item relates to multiple WOFIDs) --U+1F360 (talk) 13:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pigsonthewing: To be fair, 101750467 is a locality where 85684283 is a region. Regardless of the map (which I agree is wrong), Birmingham (Q2256) says that it is a city, so the proper link (in my opinion) would be 101750467. U+1F360 (talk) 14:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Pigsonthewing: There seems to be a trend towards Support. Would you like to expand your critic, or would you be okay if the property was created? --Kristbaum (talk) 10:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - My objection stands, and does not require expansion. I also note that neither of the two (only) subsequent "support" votes addresses the issues I raised. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Pigsonthewing: If I understand your objection correctly, it is that Who's on First is not high enough quality source in order to link to? The data is open for anyone to edit (albeit with a GitHub account). U+1F360 (talk) 13:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to see in the property description a bit of information about what kind of website whosonfirst happens to be. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChristianKl: I added a link to https://www.whosonfirst.org in the description. The dataset used to be a part of Mapzen, but this dataset has been spun off into it's own project which is part of the Linux Foudnation. More information on the dataset can be found at: https://www.whosonfirst.org/what/ U+1F360 (talk) 18:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @U+1F360: The description field doesn't allow for wikitext or other formatting. I just want a one sentence description of the kind of data that it contains. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - @ChristianKl: Done! U+1F360 (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't know of a better source or storage for administrative boundaries. --TuukkaH (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- OpenStreetMap. HTH. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support An important legacy that Wikidata has the capacity to foster. – Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 08:48, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems reasonably good quality. Ed g2s (talk) 15:32, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]