Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music

YouTube Music edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Not done

Description	identifier for an artist on YouTube Music
Represents	YouTube Music (Q28404534)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), singer (Q177220), record label (Q18127)
Allowed values	[0-9A-Za-z_]{2,24}
Example 1	Mari Kraimbrery (Q65153800) → UCqWcxmaqW_79ftm3r-vuScg
Example 2	Svetlana Loboda (Q209926) → UCLBA7aDwlEmhgoM1gdrjp1A
Example 3	Ariana Grande (Q151892) → UC0076UMUgEng8HORUw_MYHA
Source	https://music.youtube.com
Formatter URL	https://music.youtube.com/channel/$1
See also	YouTube channel ID (P2397): ID of the YouTube channel of a person or organisation (not to be confused with the name of the channel) The ID can also be used for music.youtube.com IDs Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID 2

Motivation edit

Property for YouTube Music. — Calvinn1 (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support Wikisaurus (talk) 12:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Amitie 10g (talk) 01:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose seems to be the same as Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID 2. --- Jura 12:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No! YouTube Music channel ID — YouTube channel, YouTube Music — separate service. Calvinn1 (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Identifiers are the same (see the discussion at Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID 2. Accordingly, there are corresponding formatter URLs at the existing property: Property:P2397#P1630. --- Jura 10:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. AntisocialRya n (Talk) 18:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ Support They are different services, however they use the same database and IDs to structure channels, playlists, and vidoes/songs. Any ID that works on YouTube Music works on YouTube. --Lectrician1 (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Lectrician1, but, when formating the URL, is desirable to link to the YouTube Music (Q28404534) porfile rather than the YouTube (Q866) a secas one. Amitie 10g (talk) 04:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I have come to the realization that all YouTube Music channels are auto-generated by YouTube from tracks record labels provide to YouTube. I've never come across an artist that has the same YouTube Music channel they release music under and it is their same "primary" YouTube channel. Therefore, I support the property for the utility of distinguishment purposes. User:Lockal and User:Jura1, I'd suggest you change your vote along with me. And additionally, we could have properties for YouTube Music playlists and songs, since they too, are autogenerated. Additionally, we could have properties for YouTube Music playlists and songs, since they too, are autogenerated. Lectrician1 (talk) 11:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"all YouTube Music channels are auto-generated by YouTube" is not entirely correct. When artists publish their works, for example, via TuneCore, they can check up to 38 boxes, YouTube Music is just one of them. After that, TuneCore submits composition to YouTube with autogenerated ISRC, efficiently creating an autogenerated channel. Later on artists discover that they have maybe multiple autogenerated channels and may merge them into official channel by passing a specific challenge. Most of artists don't even care to create an official YouTube channel, others don't know about duplicates of autogenerated channels, that's why you don't see merged channels too often. An example of merged channel is [1]==[2]. --Lockal (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockal Ah yes, you are right. I didn't know exactly how merging channels worked so thank you!

But... if you search for "Lean Raine" in YouTube Music, it brings you to the same channel, but with a different id.

Then, if you plug in that ID to YouTube's site, you get their Topic channel, even though they're "merged". Kinda crazy right?

I guess this proves that there are still auto-generated channel IDs for artists that have merged their channels... So, there is still a use case for this propery. Lectrician1 (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockalany response? Lectrician1 (talk) 19:54, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose there is already a formatting hint exists for YouTube Music videos, it looks like: Sandstorm (Q108109258)YouTube video ID (P1651)hQ5ufAE3d7whas characteristic (P1552)Art Track (Q105967840), so that smart client could suggest link to music.youtube.com, instead of youtube.com. As far as I noticed, "Any ID that works on YouTube Music works on YouTube." is correct, indeed, but database is not exactly the same and it does not always works in an opposite way. It is unclear for me, how it works (I just know that there is a checkbox in TuneCore/CDBaby/etc., but haven't seen a similar checkbox on YouTube). For example:
1. https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=_10qcSp62Vs is a video of cover track, accidentally available on music.youtube.com (even though supposed to be viewed through https://youtube.com/watch?v=_10qcSp62Vs, because music.youtube.com removes comments, descriptions, publication date, etc.)
2. https://youtube.com/watch?v=wZYYwCYi6_I (named as "Gangnam Style" - PSY | Live in Korea) - is not available https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=wZYYwCYi6_I.

YouTube Music provides generally a worse experience comparing to YouTube, even with ArtTracks due to missing comments section (and publication date, and description, which even for ArtTracks may contain a lot of useful information). So my suggestion is to: 1) mark ArtTracks with P1552 qualifier (so that smart client could suggest links to music.youtube.com), 2) don't bother with marking YouTube videos available on music.youtube.com at all, because YouTube Music provides a degraded experience, as I said earlier. If you are interested in automation, you could invent a new value for P1552 (something like "YouTube Music Video", subclass of music video (Q193977)), indicating that music video is available on both YouTube and YouTube Music, otherwise it is not worth the effort. --Lockal (talk) 10:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Upd: while writing this comment I forgot that original suggestion was about artist channels, but it does not change too much, as again, provides subjectively worse experience and can be denoted with P1552 (YouTube auto-generated topic channel (Q61948876), YouTube auto-generated channel (Q72108790), YouTube auto-generated artist channel (Q72108010), create a new item here). --Lockal (talk) 10:13, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose --Trade (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Music has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.--Trade (talk) 11:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose add alias to youtube channel id--Loominade (talk) 08:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Calvinn1, Wikisaurus, Jura1, Trade, Lectrician1, Lockal: Not done: lack of consensus, for more than half a year on the proposal no one wanted to speak. —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Is there a way to re-open this proposal? YouTube Channel IDs are always different from YouTube Music IDs, and that's because the YouTube Music IDs are created from the former YouTube Topic IDs, which in turn were created from music sourced by aggregators and matched with Content ID. For example, Metallica's official YouTube Channel ID is UCbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw, but their YouTube Music ID is UCGexNm_Kw4rdQjLxmpb2EKw (which if you modify the URL and take out "music.", it will link you back to the old YouTube Topic channel see here. Having both of those in the same YouTube Channel ID box creates a lot of metadata confusion, because one is an Official channel, and the other is, essentially, a streaming platform for just the music (like Spotify and Deezer). Since pretty much every musical artist out there will have one of each... I think it certainly warrants a new property dedicated to YouTube Music Channel IDs.--Bricks&Wood (talk) 05:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]