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Difference between Compositions and TracksEdit

I just read in Overview that there is a difference between Compositions and Tracks, which I don't get. Could somebody help me explaining the difference? I fear I am doing a wrong job in creating items (see as example: Q63388627). --★ → Airon 90 08:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@Airon90 : Hi there! The difference might seem subtle at first, but the it's substantial. A composition/song is the standalone creative musical work, and might be recorded (become a "track") once, twice, two hundred times, or not at all. A composition might be recorded by many different artists, creating cover versions. A track is linked to a composition using recording or performance of. Hope that help a little, feel free to hit up my talk page with any further questions if you have any. Moebeus (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
@Moebeus: I am not sure if I got it. For every song (for which there is any cover) I should create two item, one for the music and lyrics (composition), one for the creation of the song by an artist (track). I try to fix what I already created but I will ask somebody to check my work :) Thank you --★ → Airon 90 08:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@Airon90 : You need to think of the song as a work, independent of any recording. The work is the song in notated or unnotated music. Any recording is an additional aspect of that song, but the work itself, even its first recording, is a separate concept. There are many (I would say the majority) of songs never get recordings but they still exist. - Kosboot (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

When does an edit or remaster become a new track?Edit

This project sounds great, exciting!

@Airon90 : Your explanation of composition vs. track in #Difference between Compositions and Tracks is helpful, but there are a lot of details. The "same" recording of a composition can appear on multiple albums ("Editions"?) but slightly altered on each one.

  1. Compilation albums often fade the track out early to cram in more songs. I notice the proposal doesn't have a duration (Property:P2047?) property, so would this be considered the same track?
  2. Reissues, particularly vinyl reissued on CD, usually remaster the track (Cf. the bloody en:loudness war), resulting in a different sound. Sometimes it's a big change, other times very minor. E.g. for the Beatles there's the original mono mix and original "hard left-right panning" stereo; then there are minor (well, not to Beatles fans!) differences in the mastering of the mono or stereo track between vinyl pressings in different regions. Then the stereo remaster (e.g. on "Yellow Submarine" or "Ones") reissue, and then tweaks to this; e.g. see "1" Beatles album article which calls some of the adjustments remixes and others remasters.

Does Wikidata have the notion of a "derived work with minor changes"? In the case of reissues with slight changes it's the same track with all the same recording info but with an additional "remastered by" property. Property:P5202 "Adapted by" is also known as "remixed by", but this sounds more extreme than remastering. FWIW Google Play Music will often present a track with a hint of the particular version in its title, e.g. "Inside and Out (2007 Remaster)", "Inside & Out [45 Version]", etc.

It's fine for Wikidatians to conclude this rabbit hole isn't worth excavating. Cheers, and thanks. -- Skierpage (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Property for mode/scale?Edit

Is there a property to indicate that a piece uses a particular mode? I'd like to indicate that What Wondrous Love Is This (Q17041671) uses Dorian mode (Q960729) but am not finding a property that's a good fit. tonality (P826) doesn't work. Thanks! Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Maybe a property could be proposed for this, but at the same time I'm not sure if it would be necessary.
Would a mode (without a key, that is) be considered a tonality in and of itself? If not, then I think has quality (P1552) might be a better fit. Jc86035 (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@Jc86035: has quality (P1552) might be a good fit. I think this issue may exist elsewhere though for traditional songs that are in a particular scale but not necessarily a particular key. E.g. Go Tell It on the Mountain (Q1533390) is listed as D major (unreferenced) but sheet music I see in a Google Images search is split between G major and F major, with some Eb major thrown in. Many traditional songs may have this issue (?). How can we indicate that songs like Go Tell It on the Mountain (Q1533390) and What Wondrous Love Is This (Q17041671) are composed using a particular scale even if they may be sung/played in different keys? I'm not a music expert so maybe those who are can weigh in... Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Splitting items with respect to composition and recording distinctionEdit

Hello, I recently realised that more than 800 items for compositions by Kevin MacLeod (Q16731782) that I have created do not follow the composition / recording ontology described here. I would like to fix these items using QuickStatements, but I am not entirely sure whether my understanding of the suggested data model is fully correct. I would be grateful if someone could check whether the structure of the modified items (diff 1, diff 2) correctly follows the ontology so that I do not introduce any additional mistakes by running the full batch. --Sintakso (talk) 13:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Sintakso: What you've done looks fine. I'm not totally sure whether some of the properties on 8bit Dungeon Boss (Q54867788) are applicable (in particular, genre, date of publication and audio, since it's possible that they might instead be solely considered facets of the recording and not of the composition), but I would err on the side of keeping those properties for now. Jc86035 (talk) 10:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

How to add cover songs?Edit

Was just adding Viva la Vida from Weezer's album, Hurley (Deluxe Edition), and realized that it was a cover of Coldplay's song, Viva la Vida. How would I go about noting Weezer's song as a cover of Coldplay's song? --Coloradohusky (talk) 00:06, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Coloradohusky: Realy late reply, but I wanna say that modified version of (P5059) (aka "remix of") is probably the most relevant property I can think of. So something like "Viva la Vida (Q66852562)modified version of (P5059)Viva la Vida (Q626490)". Anyone else concur? --Btcprox (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
@Coloradohusky: @Btcprox: recording or performance of (P2550) with has quality (P1552): cover version (Q155171)? Eurohunter (talk) 19:55, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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