Wikidata talk:WikiProject Music

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Album with bookletEdit


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I created Q115345681. This is a CD with a booklet, and all informations about the book triggers constraints violations. If anyone has any advice, this would be very welcome.

Cheers, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 08:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@VIGNERON en résidence: You should use booklet (Q106581242) instead of introduction (Q305178) but it's not a solution. Actually if we are talking about albums it could has part (Q24575087) of compact disc (Q34467), booklet (Q106581242), jewel case (Q1023101) and even additional sheet (Q106575204). I think booklet (Q106581242) could be separate item. Eurohunter (talk) 15:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What would a good structure of an item and the items of cover versions of it look like?Edit

I was looking the song "Hard to Handle" by Otis Reading and saw its property's were a mixture of its and a notable cover version of it.

I have tried to separate them out but wondered if we have an example/documentation of a good structure of an item a notable song and the items of cover versions of that song and relationships ? Back ache (talk) 09:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

modelling of genres and sound sculpturesEdit

Hi, I have two interrelated questions:

1) What is the preferred superclass of music genres, music (Q638) (4432 direct and indirect, 37 direct instances of music genre with this superclass) or musical work (Q2188189) (679 direct and indirect, 8 direct instances of music genre with this superclass)

Just going by the numbers it is obviously music (Q638). But is this "official", e.g. should the other subclass of (P279) be moved to music (Q638)?

2) sound sculpture (Q2236597) is currently defined as an instance of art genre and music genre which looks fine to me (at first glance). Single works should probably have instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861) and genre (P136)sound sculpture (Q2236597). But now two questions arise:

1) that way single sound sculptures are not classed as musical work, violating some constraints (See Polytope de Montréal (Q7227110) that violated constraints set on BRAHMS work ID (P5302) that it should be an instance of musical work (I added it as an exception)). Should all single sound sculptures have both instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861) and instance of (P31)musical work (Q2188189) (which is not allowed, currently)? Or should sound sculptures be both a subclass of musical work and sculpture (violating the rule above that music genres should be a subclass of music (Q638)) and have instances (instance of (P31)sound sculpture (Q2236597))?
2) melody road (Q11344139) is a subclass of sound sculpture (Q2236597): Does it seem weird to set instance of (P31)musical work (Q2188189) (or whatever class we take), instance of (P31)sculpture (Q860861) and instance of (P31)road (Q34442) and genre (P136)sound sculpture (Q2236597)? To me it seems weird, but there may be differing intuitions. (there are currently no instances of music road, but there might be) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Should melody road (Q11344139) even be a subclass of sound sculpture (Q2236597)? Actually, calling a street a sculpture already seems weird in the first place. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav Really, items should be using music (Q115484611). This topic should give some more insight as to what I'm doing to try solving this and help clear up some issues. Lectrician1 (talk) 13:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This would be one solution. Another solution would be to not allow any instances of music genre (Q188451) to have instances themselves. That an artwork is of a certain genre should be expressed via genre (P136). If musical genres should subclass <work> rather than <activity> musical work (Q2188189) would be currently actually preferred over music (Q115484611).
There has been a lot of thought about the music ontology and about the modelling of musical works so we should first listen to the people that build it before changing core concepts. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A musical work is actually not a physical entity of music like music (Q115484611) is (although at the moment it ontologically is but that's because we haven't distinguished the difference between works and manifestations like FRBR/BIBFRAME does in Wikidata yet). A work is a conceptual idea of a piece of music and music (Q115484611) is its manifestation. Music genres should be subclasses of music (Q115484611) because we're describing the classification of the physical music produced. You could technically have a musical work whose manifestations are different genres so we should attribute the type to the manifestation. Lectrician1 (talk) 17:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Qobuz artist numeric ID proposalEdit

Hello, I wanted to let you know about my proposal for a Qobuz artist numeric ID external identifier, there aren't any comments yet so any inputs or votes would be helpful. Thanks in advance! –guttitto(talk · contribs) 00:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Related proposal - Qobuz album ID. –guttitto(talk · contribs) 02:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there a property to indicate the scribe of a musical manuscript?Edit

Hi. Please, I would like some help: Is there a specific metadata to be used to indicate who the scribe of a musical manuscript is?Thank you!! Lilian Viana (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New propertyEdit

Hi, take a look to my proposal for a new property here: Wikidata:Property proposal/Numeric IMVDb artist ID ★ → Airon 90 09:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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