Wikidata:Property proposal/identifiant du musée des Beaux-Arts de Rennes

Museum of Fine Arts, Rennes object ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes object ID (P12212) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for an artwork on the Museum of Fine Arts, Rennes portal
Represents	Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes (Q3098373)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	work of art (Q838948)
Allowed values	[0-9]{7,8}
Example 1	The Tiger Hunt (Q544488) → 0021803
Example 2	The Newborn (Q8774031) → 0021606
Example 3	Study for Le Pont de l'Europe (Q22132722) → 0021264
Number of IDs in source	19593 (as of November 2023)
Formatter URL	https://collections.mba.rennes.fr/ark:/10946/$1
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

Notified participants of WikiProject France,

I had the idea to created this identifier for some times ; after talking with Jcmoissinac (which is needing it), I'm now proposing it.

This is an ARK identifier for artworks (paintings, drawings, sculptures, etc. from all other the World and all periods, from Antiquity until modern times) in the Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes (Q3098373) in Rennes (Q647) (France (Q142)), a major art museum in France.

Currently, around 3000 artworks already have a Wikidata items and use described at URL (P973) (or other similar properties) to link to this database (see [https://w.wiki/8FNb SPARQL query) that could be moved to this specific property. There is also a lot of files on Commons (under commons:Category:Collections of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Rennes that could benefit from this property).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support -Ash Crow (talk) 17:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -Legonin (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ayack (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support GAllegre (talk) 20:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Maxime 20:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support external identifier. John Samuel (talk) 20:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, stable external identifier for a reputable source. Alphos (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Koreller (discussion) 15:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pymouss (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is urgently needed to track the dozens of duplicates, triplicates, etc.... created by Jcmoissinac day after day --Nono314 (talk) 21:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will stop immedaately any new item creation by my account until I understand the origin of duplicates. The current method of creation is supposed to create items with inventory number and to avoid to create a new item if an item with the same inventory number already exist.. Jcmoissinac (talk) 22:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have detected 4 works of art that appear in other collections; they are probably loans (Q123574634, Q123574372, Q123575188, Q123574754). For the others, I seem to have produced exact copies of the same entity; I'll look into how; I've noticed on several cases that they are now redirected to a single copy in the interface. Jcmoissinac (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Jcmoissinac. Indeed I spent 2 full hours yesterday cleaning up (i.e. merging) the paintings (~500 unique entities)... just to find out a couple newly created items for the same paintings I had already merged. Obviously there is the same issue at a larger scale with the thousands of drawings and prints (see the error message at Q123507165#P4765 for an extreme case). Another point of concern (unrelated to the id creation) is the hijacking of at least 2 totally unrelated artworks (I think you got the revert notifications). Nono314 (talk) 09:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@VIGNERON, Ash Crow, Legonin, Ayack, GAllegre, Maxime Ravel:@Jsamwrites, Koreller, Pymouss, Nono314, Jcmoissinac: Done: Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes object ID (P12212). --Horcrux (talk) 13:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@VIGNERON do you suggest to replace P973 by P12212? on existing entities? just on future entities? both? Jcmoissinac (talk) 14:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we need to move the URLs to the proper and more specific ID (otherwise, it would be inconsistent). D o you want to do it? Otherwise I could have a look (but probably not before mid-January to be honest). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]