Wikidata:Property proposal/local education level

local education level edit

This property was requested after extensive consultation with the Wikidata community and experts on ed tech, OER, global and national curriculum, education policy, and digitization. Over the two rounds of the consultation, we received input from 31 individuals representing various global perspectives and areas of expertise to aid in the full implementation of the Wikidata for Education project.

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Withdrawn

Description

This is to specify the specific educational stage a particular educational content is meant for. See the planned use of the property in the test Wikidata platform Q224506.

Data type

String

Domain

Curriculum, or government education-related program

Example 1

Social Studies Curriculum for Basic 7 (Q113556931) → Junior High School (Q113000893)

Local education level

	Junior High School (Q113000893)	edit

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Example 2

numeracy (Q140637) → high school (Q9826)

Local education level

	high school (Q9826)	edit

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Example 3

general science (Q113361193) → secondary school (Q159334)

Local education level

	secondary school (Q159334)	edit

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Planned use

This property will get contributors to indicate the usefulness of a topic or attribute certain activities and content to an item based on the local education level of the country or state the various local education levels that the content is relevant to. Read more about the data model WD4E Data Model. Check out how it is used in the test environment Q224504.

Wikidata project

Wikidata for Education

Motivation edit

Many countries have educational levels that are specific to their specific educational systems and may be similar or different from what pertains in other countries. This property will be used to determine the specific educational level based on the jurisdiction of a specific country. For instance; the example “lower secondary school in Japan” specifies an educational level specifically for Japan. This property will help identify the specific educational level that a specific curriculum was created for.

Sometimes we want to indicate if an item, especially educational content, is useful to some local educational level. With this property we will be able to list one or multiple local educational levels. In the examples, under Grundschule (Q99460083) is the local education level for primary schools in Germany. We will use the local names used to identify the local education levels which are lower primary level (key phase 2), upper primary level(key phase 3) junior high school (key phase 4), senior high school (key phase 5) and tertiary. Dnshitobu (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Comment Please explain further, I don't understand this proposal at all. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:08, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith Does this update provide clarity now? I will look forward to your feedback. Thank you. Andrews Lartey (talk) 16:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrews Lartey: Not really, no. educational stage (Q18189) is a general class that includes all possible educational stages, so adding this property as a statement on that item would not make sense to me at all. Your property label says "local", so presumably you are trying to add it as a statement on specific educational institutions, or specific programs, that are located in particular states or countries for which "local" would make sense. It makes no sense for this proposed property to be applied to a general class. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the new example that I have stated, senior high school is the local name given to Upper Secondary Education (based on ISCED 2011 education scale). The Ghana National Science and Maths Quiz is a national program, local to Ghana, that is for only the senior high school level. Andrews Lartey (talk) 15:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ok, I think I get the idea, and the example on test.wikidata.org makes sense to me, and I don't think we have a property that covers this right now, so yes we should add this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with @ArthurPSmith Andrawaag (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a great idea.Alhassan Mohammed Awal (talk) 16:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a great initiative am happy about that Issahiddris (talk) 23:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This property will help learners with more access to relevant information through local education. It is a good initiative. Abubakari Khadijah (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportSir Amugi (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportAbubakar280 (talk) 23:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(comment) I hope that the property will not be created before there are working examples in the proposal. 2A01:CB14:D52:1200:7C32:63B7:158E:9F68 23:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportMunkaila Sulemana (talk) 04:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportHasslaebetch (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support This is a great initiative. The educational system here in West Africa is Junior and senior level based, particularly in secondary schools. I believe that creating such property is very key for clarity and genuinity purpose. —Sunkanmi12^✉️ 21:57, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportAmuzujoe (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportWarmglow (talk) 15:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong supportOladipupo193 (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support this is a great idea.Jemima2019 (talk) 23:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I approve of the idea but it seems to me like a property like this should be pointing to explicit ISCED levels rather than generic objects in the example. For example primary school (Q9842) can represent different levels in different countries so it doesn't make sense to map local levels to it. Abbe98 (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Swedish example adds a little bit of confusion as läroverk (Q10572388) haven't existed in Sweden for the past 50 years. Abbe98 (talk) 14:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it seems like this proposal overlaps with the education level one. Abbe98 (talk) 15:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Abbe98 Thank you for taking time to review our request: it is a fair point, but we have to understand that in as much as we want to map out internal levels of education which is very core to the project, we also want to ensure that specific curriculums can be mapped to their local educational levels. We want to acknowledge the fact that curriculums are developed for specific educational systems that are administered on the basis of their specific jurisdictions. Again, what is considered a middle school in one locality is called Junior High School and which could be totally different in other jurisdictions.Dnshitobu (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dnshitobu your comment does not address my concern or suggestion in anyway. Abbe98 (talk) 09:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are examples from test.wikidata.org mentioned above. Could someone provide a link to those? Abbe98 (talk) 13:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98 For your perusal https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q224561 Dnshitobu (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This seems to accomplish the same as the existing prerequisite (P4967) Abbe98 (talk) 14:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think so too. Ainali (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't understand how the examples relate to the planned use. --Philbarker (talk) 15:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @Abbe98:. Even if that argument doesn't hold, subclass of (P279) should be used instead of defining this new property. --Dhx1 (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We appreciate the efforts and the time you spent reviewing the proposed properties. We are reviewing all your comments and some collated pieces of advice and would update the proposals soon and reply accordingly to all question. Dnshitobu (talk) 15:57, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't even know what this property is. What's a local education level? Lectrician1 (talk) 07:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose i don't understand and it feels like the discussion here was brigaded maybe? BrokenSegue (talk) 00:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]