Wikidata:Property proposal/stored as lexeme

lexeme

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Done: lexeme sense (P7018) (Talk and documentation)

Description	(qualifier) lexeme version of monolingual text
Data type	Sense
Domain	all names stored in Q-items as Monoligual text which represent notable lexemes
Example 1	Bombyx mori (Q134747) taxon common name (P1843) Polish: jedwabnik morwowy → "stored as lexeme" jedwabnik morwowy (L38523-S1)
Example 2	Slovakia (Q214) demonym (P1549) Polish: Słowak applies to part (P518) masculine (Q499327) → "stored as lexeme" Słowak (L38296-S1)
Example 3	English (Q1860) native label (P1705) English: English → "stored as lexeme" English (L35189-S1)
Example 4	Germany (Q183) short name (P1813) French: Allemagne → "stored as lexeme" Allemagne (L22302-S1)
See also	item for this sense (P5137) Wikidata item of this property (P1629) statement is subject of (P805) subject has role (P2868), object has role (P3831) subject lexeme (P6254)

Motivation

Now, when we have lexemes in Wikidata, some monolingual texts could be replaced by lexeme datatype. This however is not easy step. This property could simplify in the future transition by providing direct link to lexeme and its sense. KaMan (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 Support Linking to senses would probably be hard to do automatically, I think this is a great idea. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 Support Useful linkage, and valuable step for any future transition. Jheald (talk) 17:00, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

•  Oppose proposed label seems inconsistent with others at Wikidata. Usual naming could be "subject of lexeme" --- Jura 06:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

  @Jura1: Could you please give plenty of examples of these "others at Wikidata"? I don't think there is many from one namespace to another. KaMan (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Do you have any property label that follows the proposed naming? Any property value is obviously "stored" at Wikidata. Comparing to print dictionaries, one might think it's interesting to repeat, but it's implied once you are at Wikidata. Possibly it's a translation issue from Polish. --- Jura 07:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Jura1: "subject of" makes sense when we are referring to a regular property on an item, but this proposal is for a qualifier, so a different context. "subject of lexeme" certainly does not seem right to me to describe a piece of monolingual text that is some value for a statement on an item. "stored as lexeme" makes sense, but there may be a better label. "subject of lexeme" is not better though. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • it's the qualifier value that is the subject of the lexeme. It probably doesn't even need to be limited to use as a qualifier, as some names have items for themselves. --- Jura 07:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Can you give an example? I don't see how that would work with Wikidata's multilinguality. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
      • See below. --- Jura 04:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support NMaia (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
•  Support @KaMan, Jura1, ArthurPSmith: I think this is an important property. Maybe we could change the name to just "as lexeme", so as to keep it between conceptual entities, rather than referring to the actual storage of data in a 'meta' way. Liamjamesperritt (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Or just perhaps lexeme ? ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  • That would be better. --- Jura 04:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment There was some concern about using subject lexeme (P6254) on items like Plus at – en ny konjunktion i dansk (Q58482429) or singular they (Q3437264). Maybe we could use it for that as well. @Fnielsen:. Personally, I still think we could use P6254 for both. --- Jura 04:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Neutral Can't this be a build-in feature of Wikibase interface? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Liuxinyu970226: It should become a feature one day, but it is not one at the moment, and it will require a lot of effort to implement and may take some time. As stated in the 'Motivation' section above, this property will let us describe that information now, and help make the implementation of the feature easier in the future. Liamjamesperritt (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

• @KaMan: Are you ok with the label for this property being just lexeme (which I just edited it to be in the proposal)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

• @KaMan, Jheald, Jura1, NMaia, Liamjamesperritt, Liuxinyu970226:  Done ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:24, 19 July 2019 (UTC)