Wikidata:Property proposal/strike tone

strike tone

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: strike tone (P8331) (Talk and documentation)

Description	dominant note of bell
Represents	strike tone (Q2238224)
Data type	Item
Domain	bell (Q101401)
Allowed values	items for tones
Example 1	Vespruccio (Q95982011) → <new item for Mi4>
Example 2	Terza (Q95982115) → <new item for Si♭3>
Example 3	Winchester Cathedral bell (Q96050593) → C4 (Q32700582) ref
Planned use	Add to bells of Leaning Tower of Pisa (Q39054). Possibly some others of the 1000s we have.
See also	it:Torre_di_Pisa#Campane it:Campanile_del_Duomo_di_Caorle#Campane it:Campanile_di_Giotto#Le_campane it:Campanile_di_San_Marco#Campane

Motivation

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Seems to be a feature worth storing for bells. Open question at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Music#strike_tone_(Q2238224). Please help expand the proposal (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 18:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

@Jura1: I think it could be worth generalizing this property to make it analogous to highest note (P1897) and lowest note (P1898). The property could also potentially be applicable to pitched drums and other instruments which only play one note. Furthermore, if the items for notes are batch-created, it would need to be decided how to label the items and what statements to add to each of them by default (for example, how to indicate that a note's frequency is N hertz but only in equal temperament tuning with A4=440). Special:Search/:haswbstatement:P31=Q263478 indicates that the only item for a note with a specific octave is C8 (Q5349143), which could be relabeled "C8". Jc86035 (talk) 19:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm open to any solution more musically minded people find useful. From what I read about bells between yesterday and today, it seems the tone used as value isn't meant to be the only tone that is being heard, but one that is representative by some methodology (does that make sense musicologistically?) . --- Jura 20:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Jura1: If the aim is to describe one or more frequencies sounded by a bell, wouldn't it be possible to simply use frequency (P2144) (or a general property for describing the pitch of percussion instruments and other instruments with fixed pitch) with qualifiers? Jc86035 (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - The idea is just add statements based on what is available on it:Torre_di_Pisa#Campane without much conversion. I added a few other lists available on itwiki to "see also". Maybe there is a better way to include these. --- Jura 13:54, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support nerdy and great idea Germartin1 (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is there prior art of modeling this relationship? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedias all seem to use the same approach as itwiki. I don't think it's available on Wikidata otherwise. --- Jura 05:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jura1, Jc86035, ChristianKl: property created. --Paperoastro (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]