Wikidata:Property proposal/supervisor

supervisor edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Done: supervised by (P7604) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Is the natural person who has the authority of giving instructions and/or orders to subordinates and is held responsible for the work and actions of subordinates.
Represents	supervisor (Q1240788)
Data type	Item
Domain	items that are instances of class: human, fictional human.
Allowed values	items that are instances of class: human, fictional human.
Example 1	J. Robert Oppenheimer → James B. Conant
Example 2	Enrico Fermi → J. Robert Oppenheimer
Example 3	Christophe Ayad → Jérôme Fenoglio
Planned use	I would like to use this property in a to-be-built linked-data contemporary-history dataset held by a German research centre.
See also	property: doctoral advisor

Motivation edit

The property: doctoral advisor is only valid for the academic world and only for PhD studies. Remaining academic vertical work relations as well as all other domains (business, public administration, no profit, army) have no property linking the worker to his/her boss/manager/foreperson. --F.Gelati (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support David (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We do have director / manager (P1037) though that's more a relation on a group than on an individual... ArthurPSmith (talk) 22:57, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, director / manager (P1037) has type constraint class:Organization, which means that the object may only be an organisation and may not be a human. --F.Gelati (talk) 13:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems useful, and quite different from director / manager (P1037).It would be clearer to have it as A "was/is supervised by" B or A "was/is the supervisor of" B (or similar) to introduce directionality. Suggested qualifiers would help too (type of supervision, time of supervision, place of supervision and so on). TiagoLubiana (talk) 20:45, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, F.Gelati, ArthurPSmith, TiagoLubiana: Done: supervised by (P7604). − Pintoch (talk) 07:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Pintoch: The property was not mature enough for creation!! The directionality of A "was/is supervised by" B or A "was/is the supervisor of" B is essential. In the way it was created is essentialy useless, as it doesn't model anything clearly. The Support was recognizing that it is a useful property IF better modeled... TiagoLubiana (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TiagoLubiana: if that was your intention, could I ask you to use {{Wait}} or {{Comment}} rather than {{Support}} next time? ArthurPSmith has marked this property as ready and I would agree with his assessment based on the discussion above. None of your comments seem blocking to me. (We don't do labels with "was/is": that would be redundant as most properties can be qualified temporally.) You can still refine this property after creation (as long as it is consensual with others who commented here), or nominate it for deletion. − Pintoch (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The examples make clear the directionality, but "supervisor" in itself seems a clear enough label in the Wikidata context, similar to director / manager (P1037) and many other properties with similar English labels. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comment, next time I'll use {{Wait}} or {{Comment}}. I'm not familiar with the examples, so I honestly don't know who was the supervisor and who was supervised, though the description indicates it is A "supervisor of" B. director / manager (P1037) is clearer, as a company cannot manage a person. Anyways, it is a good property, I just think the "of" in the name would enhance its meaning. TiagoLubiana (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree that the reverse property would be highly beneficial. So let us build and validate it together here Property proposal: supervised by