Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy/Archive/2014/07
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I'm planning (and already doing) to make some structural edits to species items. Specifically I add russian/french/german standard labels and descriptions, instance of (P31) taxon (Q16521) and parent taxon (P171). Example of an edit. Algorithm is as the following. At first I make search for genus latin name and discover if there are homonymous taxa. If there are not, I'll get search results as a draft list and then make some manual filtration. Then my program perform automatic edits through wbeditidentity of API. Does anyone mind? --Infovarius (talk) 11:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- Some remarks:
- For french labels see Add Label = taxon name (P225) above.
- German labels and descriptions are set by my bot. If you want to do this too, please check the german label of the genus and use the form Art der Gattung trivialname (scientific name) if appropriate.
- Checking the uniqueness of a genus name within wikidata is is not enough. You have to ensure that you do not mix an animal species with an plant genus. How will you do this?
- --Succu (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- 1. According to Wikidata:Requests for comment/Automatic labelling I can add taxon name (P225) as a label for de/fr/es/it/ru. 2. I am already using such form. 3. Species with genus? How is possible? May be, you mean animal species with plant species. In that case I assume that we have already items for both genera and so I can isolate them. Infovarius (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- German has no votes and the voter for french refused to do this with his bot (see above). But I don't care.
- Fine, but I haven't seen an test edit.
- I mean adding a genus name as parent taxon (P171) belonging to the animal kingdom to a plant species with the same generic name. You assume a lot. But on what basis? A bot shouldn't. Have a look into the history of "Unique value" violations of taxon name (P225). Nearly every day you'll find new generic names belonging to diffenent kingdoms or later homonyms within the same kingdom. So „guessing“ is not an option.
- 1. According to Wikidata:Requests for comment/Automatic labelling I can add taxon name (P225) as a label for de/fr/es/it/ru. 2. I am already using such form. 3. Species with genus? How is possible? May be, you mean animal species with plant species. In that case I assume that we have already items for both genera and so I can isolate them. Infovarius (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- I've created a log'n'requests page: User:Structor/genera where you can check my activity. P.S. One of the last big edits: [1]. --Infovarius (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: What exactly we gain from this subpage? --Succu (talk) 20:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- You can propose a next genus to work with. Also you can control that I am not doing wrong (I plan to avoid ambiguous taxa at first). --Infovarius (talk) 20:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: You will doing this (next genus to work with) on which groundings? --Succu (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- At present arbitrarily. But I can consider some systematic approach if you wish. Infovarius (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- „arbitrarily“ fits well to a lot of your contributions. A „systematic approach“ at yours is more than overdue. --Succu (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- I like you too, but please avoid personal attacks. Thread is frozen. --Infovarius (talk) 22:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- „arbitrarily“ fits well to a lot of your contributions. A „systematic approach“ at yours is more than overdue. --Succu (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- At present arbitrarily. But I can consider some systematic approach if you wish. Infovarius (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: You will doing this (next genus to work with) on which groundings? --Succu (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- You can propose a next genus to work with. Also you can control that I am not doing wrong (I plan to avoid ambiguous taxa at first). --Infovarius (talk) 20:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: What exactly we gain from this subpage? --Succu (talk) 20:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
R.I.P.
Hardly a major botanist, but a productive one: Lyn Craven 1945-2014. - Brya (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Mind to update Lyndley Alan Craven (Q6708677) accordingly? --Succu (talk) 20:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- I would rather not. I don't see at all why somebody who went through life as Lyn Craven should suddenly be transformed to Wikimedia's Lindley Alan Craven (not even registering his actual name). It does not make sense to me (close to Original Research) and I would rather have nothing to do with it. - Brya (talk) 04:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Brya: - His nickname is even mentioned in this biography: https://www.anbg.gov.au/biography/craven-lyndley-alan.html. So there is no original research involved. I updated the item and the Wikis. -Tobias1984 (talk) 09:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- I would rather not. I don't see at all why somebody who went through life as Lyn Craven should suddenly be transformed to Wikimedia's Lindley Alan Craven (not even registering his actual name). It does not make sense to me (close to Original Research) and I would rather have nothing to do with it. - Brya (talk) 04:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Well, birth names are all too often mentioned in biographies (unless the person took great care never to let it leak), but for most people it is never used in real life. I subscribe to the school of thought that people should be referred to by the name they used all their life, and not by the name they were registered under, at birth. There are plenty of people who indeed are careful to keep their birth name concealed, and their birth names are not their fault, in the first place. - Brya (talk) 16:40, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Autolist link
Go to Autolist2 and put claim[225] AND claim [31] AND noclaim[31:16521,31:310890,31:502895,31:713623] in the WDQ section. This lists all items that have a taxon name and an instance of, but that instance of is not taxon, monotypic taxon, common name or clade. There are 333 of them. Some have "no value" for taxon name so are not mistakes, but there are some mistakes on there mixing disambiguation pages with taxons. 130.88.141.34 10:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)