Property talk:P5168

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Jura1 in topic How to use with streets?

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applies to name of subject
(qualifier) label or alias name to which the claim applies (subject of the statement). To refer to name of the value, use "applies to name of object" (P8338)
Data typeMonolingual text
Usage notesThis property (as opposed to P8338) should be used to denote the precise name to which a given P138 claim corresponds. If A has been named after B but A can bear different names, use this property as a qualifier of P138 to specify the name of A which was formed from a name of B.
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<complementary property>applies to name of object (P8338)
See alsovalid in place (P3005), applies to name of object (P8338), subject named as (P1810)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total17,130
Main statement2<0.1% of uses
Qualifier17,121>99.9% of uses
Reference7<0.1% of uses
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Scope is as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5168#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Item “named after (P138): Items with this property should also have “named after (P138)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5168#Item P138, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5168#Entity types
 
qualifier value would generally be a label or an alias of the item
check if the property is used correctly or add an alias (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?v WHERE { ?item p:P138 [ pq:P5168 ?v ] FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item rdfs:label ?l . FILTER( contains(lcase(?l) , lcase(?v)) && "mul" = lang(?v) ) } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item rdfs:label ?l . FILTER( contains(lcase(?l) , lcase(?v)) && lang(?l) = lang(?v) ) } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item skos:altLabel ?a . FILTER( contains(lcase(?a) , lcase(?v)) && "mul" = lang(?v) ) } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item skos:altLabel ?a . FILTER( contains(lcase(?a) , lcase(?v)) && lang(?a) = lang(?v) ) } SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" } } LIMIT 50
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P5168#qualifier value would generally be a label or an alias of the item


How to use with streets? edit

I use this property to show after whom a street is named, but I have no idea what to do with this mandatory (why?) qualifier. The same as the item? A street is named after one person. This is independent of the language. Examples: Anna-Schneider-Steig (Q96310963), Barbarossaplatz (Q94512856) – help please! I read the proposal, it did however not help me to understand … Thanks --Elya (talk)

@Elya, Jura1: Street could have been named after a different person in past, albeit in the same language. Or it could have two alternative names Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 08:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Vojtěch Dostál, so what would be the correct property value for the example objects? Many objects will have a title that's named after one other item all over the times and in all languages. However, it's am mandatory property, so what to add here in this case? --Elya (talk) 15:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Elya: In my humble opinion, you can use all which apply (at least one)... Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 21:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Vojtěch Dostál, sorry: but which values would apply? Anna-Schneider-Steig (Q96310963) is named after (P138) Anna Schneider (Q94998065). And now? applies to name of subject (P5168) what exactly would apply? Again the name of the person in her language? I'm really a bit at loss here … We should definitely add more examples to the Property to make it clearer. --Elya (talk) 17:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Elya: In the case of a person's name (which usually doesn't change between languages), I think it's best to state his/her full name and use language "mul" (multiple languages). Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
For streets, in most cases it's fairly obvious, so the qualifier isn't needed. Accordingly, I removed the constraint at named after (P138) [1].
It can be interesting when the name of a street changes or if the name is different in some language. --- Jura 16:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Which is something you usually don't know when you add P138 to items. I sort of liked the constraint. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 20:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
For streets, it's seems fairly easy to figure out, but I noticed in one discussion that people who add it primarily to classes have a different view of the question. --- Jura 20:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Use of applies to name of subject (P5168) and applies to name of object (P8338) qualifiers edit

Please see Property_talk:P8338#Use_on_Q6556889#P138 (about "Sons" in (e.g.) "xyz & Sons" and "I" in "How I met your mother"). --- Jura 11:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

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