Property talk:P8253

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OSM Name Suggestion Index ID
identifier for a brand/operator in OpenStreetMap’s Name Suggestion Index

Represents	Name Suggestion Index (Q62108705)
Applicable "stated in" value	Name Suggestion Index (Q62108705)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	trademark (Q167270), organization (Q43229), public transport (Q178512), flag (Q14660) or brand (Q431289)
Allowed values	^\w+-[0-9a-f]{6}$
Example	McDonald’s (Q38076) → mcdonalds-658eea Shell (Q154950) → shell-b3d110 shell-4d6b4b shell-56d9b3 United States Postal Service (Q668687) → unitedstatespostoffice-b9aa24 ABQ RIDE (Q580832) → abqride-a45453
Source	https://nsi.guide/index.html
Formatter URL	https://nsi.guide/?id=$1
See also	OpenStreetMap tag or key (P1282), OpenStreetMap relation ID (P402), ‎location information URL (P12454), number of branches (P8368), location URL match pattern (P11707)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 34,891 Main statement 34,884 out of 36,576 (95% complete) >99.9% of uses Qualifier 6 <0.1% of uses Reference 1 <0.1% of uses
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[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]

Type “trademark (Q167270), organization (Q43229), public transport (Q178512), flag (Q14660), brand (Q431289)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “trademark (Q167270), organization (Q43229), public transport (Q178512), flag (Q14660), brand (Q431289)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Type Q167270, Q43229, Q178512, Q14660, Q431289, SPARQL

Format “^\w+-[0-9a-f]{6}$”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Format, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Scope, SPARQL

Item “‎location information URL (P12454)”: Items with this property should also have “‎location information URL (P12454)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Item P12454, SPARQL

Item “official website (P856)”: Items with this property should also have “official website (P856)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Item P856, SPARQL

Item “operating area (P2541)”: Items with this property should also have “operating area (P2541)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8253#Item P2541, search, SPARQL

Discussion

Why does this property imply notability?

Tinker Bell added Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) to this property. Accordingly Bovlb undeleted several items per this request. As this seems to be user-generated content by another project, I don’t really see why this property should confer notability within Wikidata. --Emu (talk) 09:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It's a special case. The presence of this property on an item page signals structural need in the OpenStreetMap project. We thus usually keep these items, although quite some of them would otherwise be deleted here. —MisterSynergy (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but how do OSM structural needs factor into Wikidata notability? Isn’t that essentially a loophole to create notability? --Emu (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

There are already so many loopholes… OSM has pretty much the same ethos as Wikidata/Wikimedia does, so I think it is fine. There are people that look after these items, and they are usually independent of the described entities. The property was created after OSM users repeatedly found their used items deleted (usage was difficult to track before this property existed). You can read in the proposal that there was quite some support for this property. —MisterSynergy (talk) 11:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I see your point that OSM is a friendly, mostly high-quality project.

However, the property proposal explicitly states: “I don't think the presence of this property on an item would establish notability by itself, given that OSM isn't considered an authority on store locations. But it could give administrators a little more clarity when assessing whether a business-related item is merely undeveloped or whether it's spam.” And there were four deleting admins, so it’s not even that clear that this is an established practice. --Emu (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Emu: I probably could've phrased that better. I do think inclusion in name-suggestion-index establishes notability – the index's purpose is to standardize tagging of individual branch locations for chains of a certain size or larger. What I meant is that NSI isn't an authority on the subject. NSI uses (user-contributed) OSM data to discover missing chains to add, but there is editorial control in the sense that contributors debate whether a chain is of sufficient notability. Something like [1] probably wouldn't be added even if it satisfies Wikidata's structural need criterion for notability. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 23:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

number of identifiers

Since NSI.guide doesn't show how many items are in brands category, this JS snippet can return quickly the number:

Array.from(document.getElementsByClassName("category")).map(v => parseInt(v.children[1].textContent.split("/")[2].slice(0,-1))).reduce((a,p) => a+p, 0);

--Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 16:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC)