Talk:Q2424752
Latest comment: 6 years ago by D1gggg in topic schema.org/Product is different from goods (Q28877)
Autodescription — product (Q2424752)
description: anything that can be offered to a market
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that are instances of none of the classes raw material (Q192355) , intermediate product (Q245032) , final product (Q1340858) and service (Q7406919) [1]
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Meaning of the Item edit
Hi Laddo, I think your understanding of the item’s meaning is a broader (at least another) one than that described by the linked Wikipedia articles. Your descriptions describe rather what is expressed by artificial physical object (Q15222213). You might consider to change it. BTW: The current classification is an over-classification since <artificial physical object (Q15222213)> subclass of (P279) <physical object (Q223557)>. Thanks, --Marsupium (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Marsupium: You are right, I merely translated the English description but it was already too broad. What do you think of "object prepared and valuable for human use"? - LaddΩ chat ;) 17:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- The thing described by the Wikipedia articles seems to be a theoretical object in economics. A description derived from the first sentence of the enwiki article would be ”anything that can be offered to a market that might satisfy a want or need“. It is similar to your propose, but stresses the commercial aspect. In a non-commercial context English ”product“ (such as German “Produkt“) seems quite unspecific to me. The use of product (Q2424752) as a superclass does not seem to be very useful in the current cases: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=CLAIM%5B31%3A2424752%5D. But this use might be caused by the current description. What to do? ;) --Marsupium (talk) 17:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- The current description and use of this that which artificial physical object (Q15222213) was created for. What the description ”thing produced by labor or effort, result of an act or a process“ says is what is meant by artificial physical object (Q15222213). But the original meaning of product (Q2424752) is different. It is ”anything that can be offered to a market“ according to the English Wikipedia, other Wikipedia articles I checked are similar. The current German description ”erzeugte Ware oder Dienstleistung“ stresses that even a service (Q7406919) may be a product (Q2424752) (so not only artificial physical object (Q15222213)). For these reasons I propose
- to remove subclass of (P279) <artificial physical object (Q15222213)>,
- to change the descriptions to "anything that can be offered to a market"@en and translations for the other languages,
- to change most appearances of subclass of (P279) <product (Q2424752)> to subclass of (P279) <artificial physical object (Q15222213)>,
- and to replace product (Q2424752) in the total produced (P1092) constraint with artificial physical object (Q15222213).
- Regards, --Marsupium (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC) BTW: What is the relation between product (Q2424752) and commodity (Q317088)? PS: Oh, and I just found yet another item: goods and services (Q2897903) – all the same? --Marsupium (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Marsupium, Laddo: I agree with removing artificial physical object (Q15222213), but the meaning is still very vague. Note that food (Q2095), computer program (Q40056) and financial product (Q19926563) are all listed as subclasses of product (Q2424752). There's also goods (Q28877) to consider, and how it differs from this. Product is also listed as being a subclass of work (Q386724), which is currently defined as a "distinct intellectual or artistic creation", which most products probably aren't, so there's another problem there. --Yair rand (talk) 01:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Reference via subclass or instance of? edit
There are examples where other more specific items are referenced as subclasses of product, e.g. (alcoholic beverage (Q154), and others that are described as instances of product, e.g. straw (Q160066). What is the recommended structure? Pauljmackay (talk) 09:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
- WhatLinksHere? --Fractaler (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
- May be, if we have a specific type/brand like Levi's 501 (Q3237209), it is P31. While general name is the P279. --Infovarius (talk) 12:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
schema.org/Product is different from goods (Q28877) edit
- schema.org/Product: any offered product or service. For example: a pair of shoes; a concert ticket; the rental of a car; a haircut
- Q28877: tangible and intangible thing, except labor tied services
Even if we consider all variations, product can't be a service in English IMO. d1g (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC)