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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Bob08/Archive 1 on 2020-09-03.

Madamebiblio (talkcontribs)

Bonjour @Bob08, un petit rappel sur le style des descriptions adopté par la communauté de Wikidata: courtes et concises, neutres et sans point final. Merci.

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Bonjour @Madamebiblio.

Je ne peux qu'être d'accord. Sur quels éléments ai-je mis des descriptions longues, non neutres et avec un point final ?

Merci .

Madamebiblio (talkcontribs)

Voici: Q13175669, Q757986, Q112876241, Q473889, Q600836, Q228368 et Q14204246.

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

OK, vu. Je regrette de ne pas avoir corrigé les soucis de description de certains éléments, mais il faut voir que j'ai surtout ôté des capitales aux libellés, comme cela est recommandé. Autant dire que j'ai modifié la forme, et non le fond. Il me semble que sans aller au bout, mes modifications vont dans le bon sens.

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Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talkcontribs)

Wow, looks like we are both fixing the typo errors. Do you find them by using: Wikidata:Database reports/items with P569 greater than P570

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Hi. Yes, I am using this report. I am going to fix other errors, so you can go on with P569 greater than P570.

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talkcontribs)
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Riad Salih (talkcontribs)

Hi @Bob08

I trust all is going smoothly on your end. As you may have noticed, I reverted your recent edits regarding citizenship. The context is specific to that period, and we do consider the nation, since 'Algérie Française' is not a political entity. We have already had this debate years ago. In this context, Algeria is mentioned as a nation. Each context is unique and has nothing to do with anachronism.

Regards

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Puisque vous ne voulez pas parler français...

The Algerian has appeared in 1962. There is no specific context. Please be honnest.

Regards.

Riad Salih (talkcontribs)

I used English as the language of communication here to ensure better traceability of the discussion, since I was uncertain about your proficiency in French. As previously mentioned, we can discuss nationality and the concept of French Algeria on a case-by-case basis. Algeria became independent in 1962, not "Appeared." If you are not well-versed in certain historical concepts, please refrain from asserting them falsely.

Riad Salih (talkcontribs)

+ it has nothing to do with nationality. I would appreciate if you could provide an explanation regarding the nationality of those individuals. They were Muslim French citizens from Algeria, who were never fully regarded as French in terms of their identity, and held a unique status. I am open to engaging in a comprehensive debate on a case-by-case basis.

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

I do not say these people have the French citizenship. I affirm that the Algerian citizenship does not exist before 1962. This has nothing to do with the fact they are muslims from Algeria, and there is nothing unique.

Riad Salih (talkcontribs)

To avoid edit wars, let's have a proper discussion here. Regards.

Riad Salih (talkcontribs)

The notion of passports is not a strong argument, as passports are a relatively recent concept that did not exist centuries ago. We have numerous cases, such as Theophilus Presbyter, whose country of citizenship is listed as Germany, which is not accurate in reality.

Indeed, as mentioned in p27, it is stated clearly that 'the object is a country that recognizes the subject as its citizen,' while these particular cases were not recognized as French citizens.

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Joy (talkcontribs)

I saw you reverted something, but there was no explanation. Looking at the diffs, I can't figure out what happened. What gives? :) --~~~~

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

The family name and the disambiguation were erroneously merged. Sorry for the absence of explanation.

Joy (talkcontribs)

That distinction seems arbitrary. What other meaning is there to Pušić than a surname? Any disambiguation list including topics named Pušić is in effect a list of people with the same name. --~~~~

Joy (talkcontribs)

I see now that the effect of these changes is that [[en:Pušić]] is disconnected from [[de:Pušić]], but that doesn't make functional sense. Can you fix that, please?

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Please see Q27924673.

Joy (talkcontribs)

I don't know what that means or how it makes any difference here. Can you fix the functional problem?

Bob08 (talkcontribs)
Joy (talkcontribs)

Have you read them actually? The German one says ''Pušić ... ist der Familienname folgender Personen". It's also a surname list. This distinction is apparently artificial. Can you fix it?

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Pierre cb (talkcontribs)

Les libellés peuvent être utilisés comme titre d'une Infobox pour des articles correspondants dans les différents Wikipedia et doivent être en majuscules. C'est la description qui prend une minuscule en début.

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

C'est faux. Voir Help:Label/fr.

Règles

Les règles typographiques des libellés se résument en trois points :

  1. le même libellé peut être utilisé pour plusieurs éléments, c'est la description de l'élément qui lève l’ambiguïté ;
  2. le libellé débute par une minuscule, excepté s'il s'agit d'un nom propre ;
  3. le libellé doit correspondre au nom le plus courant. Faites attention aux traductions linguistiques et aux pages spéciales de Wikipédia (espaces de noms) ;
  4. l'orthographe du libellé doit correspondre à celui qui se trouve dans des références.
Pierre cb (talkcontribs)

Ceci rend le libellé inutilisable dans une Infobox.

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Je ne comprends pas.

Pour un titre d'infobox Wikipédia, la capitale est appliquée à la première lettre, même si c'est une minuscule dans Wikipédia.

Pierre cb (talkcontribs)

D'où vous tenez cela?

Bob08 (talkcontribs)

Il suffit de regarder.


Pour exemple : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porte_dor%C3%A9e_(J%C3%A9rusalem). Le libellé Wikidata débute par un lettre de bas de casse et est repris avec une capitale dans l'infobox Monument.

Pout l'infobox Cyclone, de toute façon, je vois que le modèle va chercher le nom de la page Wikipédia (PAGENAME), et non le libellé Wikidata (Lfr). Il n'y d'ailleurs pas non plus d'utilité à préciser l'année du cyclone dans le titre de l'infobox (l'information figure déjà dans le titre de la page et dans les informations de l'infobox : apparition et dissipation).

Pierre cb (talkcontribs)

OK mais c'est illogique.

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Framawiki (talkcontribs)

Hello! Quand un roman a plusieurs auteurs renseignés, il semble que tes modifs fassent le tour des possibilités sans se mettre d'accord :) ou

Peut être lister les 3 auteurs dans la desc?

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41.83.36.2 (talkcontribs)

Fall Jvbno

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Fences and windows (talkcontribs)
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Modification des titres d'œuvres

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Christelle Molinié (talkcontribs)

Bonjour Bobo8, je viens de constater que vous aviez modifié une série de libellés d'objets conservés entre autres au musée Saint-Raymond afin d'ôter la majuscule du titre ainsi que le numéro d'inventaire que nous avons l'habitude d'y accoler. Est-ce que cette initative répond à une norme qui m'aurait échappé ? Si oui allez vous apporter la modification à l'ensemble des oeuvres tous domaines confondus présentes sur Wikidata ? S'il n'est pas possible de laisser le numéro d'inventaire de l'objet dans le libellé principal pourriez-vous le rejeter en alias s'il vous plaît ? Nous avons en effet plusieurs objets avec le même titre et seul le numéro d'inventaire permet de les désambigüiser. sans quoi cela va être très difficile pour moi de vérifier si un objet est déjà présent sur Wikidata. Merci de votre compréhension.

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Kevin Long (association footballer)

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Iggy the Swan (talkcontribs)
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