Trzęsacz

musée Musée Anne de Beaujeu (Q1507025)

Hallo Trzęsacz, super, dass Du hier mitmachst. Man kann auch zwei Datenobjekte verbinden/mergen. Dafür musst Du zuerst bei >Einstellungen >Helferlein bei >Merge ein Häkchen setzen. Ich habe ich dem Abschnitt bis auf main language und den letzten beiden alles. Der Dritte Kasten ist wichtig auto edit (damit wären hier die Bezeichnungen automatisch hinzugefügt worden), labellister, move, request del., authority, commonsMedia und Beschreibungen schön, Reasonator and Ancestors auch schön. Erstes kennst Du vielleicht. Wenn merke angekreuzt ist, kannst Du unter mehr (Rechts neben Vereinsgeschichte den 2. Befehl zusammenlegen auswählen und die entsprechende Q-nr in das dann aufspringende Auswahlfeld eingeben und zusammenlegen auswählen und alles inkl. Löschung bzw redirect erfolgt automatisch. Man kann dann auch in der Versionsgeschichte nachverfolgen, wo es hingegangen ist.

Die Anzeige der Sprachversionen kannst Du durch setzen eines Babelbausteines {{#babel:de-N|en-2}} auf deiner Benutzerseite bestimmen, indem Du weitere hinzufügst, geht auch mit 0. Anstatt oder für weitere Sprachen führt das oben schon erwähnte bei Einstellungen Helferlein labelLister dazu, dass links von Vereinsgeschichte >Liste der Bezeichnungen ausgewählt werden kann. Im dann aufspringenden Auswahlkasten unter bearbeiten den jeweiligen Sprachcode auswählen. --Oursana (talk) 15:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Oursana, ob ich mir das alles merken kann? Ich habe die Korrekturen wegen der falschen Interwikis vorgenommen und weil es zwei wikidata Nummern für ein Museum gab, habe ich eine Nummer kaltgestellt. Der tieferen Sinn der Wikidatas ist mir nach wie vor ein Rätsel. Aber diejenigen, die Wikidatas erstellen, sollten auch immer an die Commonskategorien denken. Dann bräuchte ich hier garnichts machen. ja, soweit schöne Grüße --Trzęsacz (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Kannst Du ja hier immer wieder nachlesen. Die Museumssprachversionen zu verbinden wäre so eben einfacher gegangen und die Kaltstellung wäre in Form einer Vernichtung automatisch erfolgt. Habe ich durch Löschantrag veranlasst, wie Du am link der Abschnittsüberschrift nachempfinden kannst. Kurz zum Wikidata-Rätsel: 1. zentraler einhtl. interwikilink, auch von wikisource, wikivoyage 2. Datenbank und Wissenslager (Depositorium) für alle wikis als Basis neuer Artikel oder Vereinheitlichung (Geburts- Geodaten, Einwohnerzahlen, Referenzen, wichtig gerade für kleinere Sprachversionen und zur besseren Verbreitung des freien Wissens weil ja wikidata mehrsprachig ist. Ich habe mal bei Einsteinhaus Caputh (Q1309294) versucht Dir das zu zeigen. Hast Du überlesen oder nicht bekommen. Das ist mein Rätsel. Ne schöne jrooß --Oursana (talk) 02:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Ahh, jetzt bin ich mal angemeldet und kann es gründlicher sehen. Nun ist mir klar, was Du meinst. Schönes WE --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Und ein Forum, links am Rand gibt es auch. Und hiermit kannst Du ab heute Deine gebündelten Beobachtungslisten sehen. Ich wünsche Dir auch ein schönes Wochenende--Oursana (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Danke, habe ich jetzt erst gesehen. Grüße --Trzęsacz (talk) 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Was soll ich bei Ne schöne jrooß erraten? In welcher Sprache die singen? --Trzęsacz (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Nö, bezieht sich auf den Satz davor und gehört hier eigentlich nicht hin. Ist auch halb aufgelöst.--Oursana (talk) 20:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

removal of properties from painting item

Hi can you explain this edit? I don't understand why you would leave an item with less metadata than when you found it. Thanks, Jane023 (talk) 11:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Have you a reference for private collection? greetings --Trzęsacz (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The auction record is the reference. You also removed the date. Jane023 (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Neither Sotheby's nor RKD give any information about the date of origin of the picture. There is also nothing about the place to stay of today. Everything else is speculation and therefore illegitimate. --Trzęsacz (talk) 11:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

An attribution is not speculation. There is no question about the attribution. Therefore we can narrow down the date quite comfortably. This has been done for his entire oeuvre. Jane023 (talk) 13:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Attributions make art historians or other professionals. Not commons user without reference. --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Exactly, and this is the reason we allow the inclusion of all attributions by any respected historian on Dutch art, not just from the RKD and Commons. Jane023 (talk) 13:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Removal of provenance

Hi Trzęsacz, why did you remove the location, collection and inventory number on Black Othello (Q1974336)? According to File:Lovis Corinth Neger Othello 1884.jpg the painting was in the Lentos Museum between 1953 and 2015, do you think that's incorrect? Multichill (talk) 20:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The painting was now restituted by an auction and it is not in the Lentos Museum anymore. See also picture description. It maybe an early Gurlitt story. --Trzęsacz (talk) 22:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok, you seem to be misunderstanding how Wikidata works. Wikipedia might record the current situation in the infobox, but that's not how Wikidata works. We record the full provenance of a work. So don't remove statements, but qualify them with start and end dates. Do you understand that concept? Now that you know this, you might want to check some of your edits to restore some things you have removed. Multichill (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

You do not seem to understand anything. Lentos (including the Inv-Nr.) is now a part of the Provenance and not the location. False information must be deleted. --Trzęsacz (talk) 20:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

The provenance is the history of the painting, including, but not limited to, former catalog entries, former collections, former (correct and incorrect) measurements, and any other documentation that exists for the artwork. In Wikidata, the properties for start and end dates are used to indicate time periods spent in former locations, and there is no separation of the location from the original location statement into some general "provenance statement". The way provenance is represented on Wikidata is not the same as for Commons. Jane023 (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Please merge instead of blanking

Thank you for your work in maintaining Wikidata. I have a small suggestion to improve your future work. If you notice that two items are duplicates, please merge them instead of blanking one of them as you did with the page Q52365171. External sites use Wikidata identifiers, so it is important that we preserve the chain of references. See Help:Merge for more information on how to do this, and consider installing the Merge Gadget. Thanks! Bovlb (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Caspar David Friedrich in seinem Atelier Q50110119

What did you do with the item Caspar David Friedrich in his Studio (1811) (Q50110119). My robot created it for this work in Berlin. You removed all the info and used it for a completely different painting in Hamburg. What is going here? Multichill (talk) 20:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Same question for Cross in the Mountains (Q50327989). How does a painting suddenly become a drawing? Multichill (talk) 20:28, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Make better with your robot no duplications, then everything is fine. (and see for exemple Altarpiece Tetschen (Q884782)). --Trzęsacz (talk) 22:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Art of painting is not a material

Hi Trzęsacz, I noticed you changed made from material (P186) from oil paint (Q296955) to art of painting (Q11629) on several paintings (current list). art of painting (Q11629) is an activity, not a material so it shouldn't be used in made from material (P186). You could add it in fabrication method (P2079), but I'm not sure about the added value of that? Why are you changing it anyway? Is it because the image on Commons than shows "Technik: Malerei auf Lindenholztafel"? Multichill (talk) 16:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

In German is Malerei both, an activity and a material. I use that especially for Cranach paintings, analog to the Cranach Digital Archive. As I can see from your listing, I'm not the only one doing this. Trzęsacz (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

On the Cranach site they use Medium: Painting on beech wood / Material / Technik: Malerei auf Buchenholz. So in this case the material is beech wood/Buchenholz and the technique/Technik is Painting/Malerei. So I wouldn't call "Malerei" a material, but I would call it a technique which happens to be an alias of fabrication method (P2079). The second material in this case is either oil paint (Q296955) (if we have a source for that what we have in this case) or paint (Q174219) (if we don't know what kind of paint was used). Do you agree?

I see where this goes wrong now on Commons. The infobox uses "Medium" in English and "Technik" is German, but actually only shows the materials used instead of the combination of technique/material. Maybe the template on Commons should be updated to show the activity based on the material? I'll bring that up on Commons. Multichill (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Automated report of empty item: Q117204022

Hello, an item that you have edited (and you are the only non-bot editor) is considered empty and will be deleted in 72 hours if it doesn't improve. Your automated cleaner, Dexbot (talk) 15:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)