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Instanz / TeilEdit

Hallo, ich habe deine Änderungen an Department of Paintings of the Louvre (Q3044768): die Gemäldeabteilung des Louvre ist keine "Instanz" des Louvre sont ein Teil des Louvre (part of (P361)). Siehe Help:Basic membership properties. --Zolo (talk) 08:30, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Merci, Zolo, es-tu vraiment sûr, sur département de conservation, voie la discussion d'élément. --Oursana (talk) 10:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Je ne comprends pas très bien, je vois le département des peinture à la fois dans le décret initial et dans la version actuelle. --Zolo (talk) 12:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Oui, ma ta référence n'indique pas, que le département des peintures est Property:P31 de département de conservation du Louvre. Voie s'il te plait Talk:Q3044768. --Oursana (talk) 12:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
P31, ne veut pas dire "subordonnée à", mais plutôt quelque chose comme "est un". La Joconde est un p31 de tableau, Picasso un P31 d'humain et le département des peintures du Louvre un P31 de département de conservation du Louvre. Je ne vois rien d'anormal. --Zolo (talk) 12:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup pour tes explications patientes et pardonnes mon changement. --Oursana (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

schwedischen GemeindeEdit

I am a de-0, but since I guess Gemeinde is kommun/commune/municipality, I changed the de description. Please correct me if I am wrong! Åre kommun is Q271153. -- Lavallen (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Meißener Porzellan-Sammlung Stiftung Ernst SchneiderEdit

Salut!
Sollte owned by (P127) <Bavarian National Museum (Q631056)> nicht eher zu Collection Meißner porcelain Stiftung Ernst Schneider (Q1918824) selbst als als Qualifier zu <Schleißheim palace complex (Q680166)> occupant (P466) <Collection Meißner porcelain Stiftung Ernst Schneider (Q1918824)?
Oder gehört nur der in Schleißheim befindliche Teil dem BNM?
Beste Grüße, --Marsupium (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hallo Marsupium. Endlich geschafft entsprechend Deines Hinweises und Schlösser geteilt.--Oursana (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

FreskenzyklusEdit

Die has part (P527)-Aussagen in cycle of frescos (Q16905550), die konkrete Zyklen als Objekt haben, sind – meine ich – nicht korrekt. Es handelt sich zum Beispiel bei Paintings of the Months in Palazzo Schifanoia (Q548688) nicht um eine part of (P361)has part (P527)-Beziehung sondern um eine subclass of (P279)–superclass-Beziehung. Sag doch bitte, ob Du es auch so siehst, und entferne ggf. die betroffenen Aussagen. Merci beaucoup d'avance et meilleures salutations, --Marsupium (talk) 11:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic#Ist die Oberklasse von ist vielleicht die Antwort dafür, dass ich das rückgängig machen möchte. Hier sind wir uns einig. LG --Oursana (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Ich bitte um Entschuldigung für die späte Antwort! Zu den von mir angesprochenen has part (P527)-Aussagen in cycle of frescos (Q16905550), die konkrete Zyklen als Objekt haben, hast Du nichts gesagt. Ich habe sie jetzt jedenfalls entfernt.
Du hast hingegen meine Änderung in cycle of paintings (Q16905563) angesprochen. Während es keine Oberklasse-Eigenschaft gibt, stattdessen has part (P527) zu verwenden, halte ich für keine gute Idee. Ich beließe es deshalb lieber bei meiner Entfernung der Aussage.
Liebe Grüße, --Marsupium (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Vielleicht hast Du Recht. Warten wir die Entwicklung von Wikidata ab. Liebe Grüße --Oursana (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Munizipium (Rumänien)Edit

Municipiu is not municipality but is a type of city, it has nothing to do with municipio (Q1763214). Please see other properties of it and read de:Munizipium (Rumänien), en:Municipiu. --JulesWinnfield-hu (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

some help toolsEdit

Welcome Oursana! You may add some help tools to user:Oursana/common.js or (if you use the vector skin) to user:Oursana/vector.js . Please see User:Rotsaert8000 (in Esperanto), Wikidata:Tools, and Wikidata:Tools/User scripts for candidates you may add. On the user:i18n-page you will see all WD gadget links. It takes time to see what fits most of your interests. Good luck! Please feel free to use the Wikidata Sandbox item: Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189) View with Reasonator View with SQID for your first steps adding some statements see Wikidata:List of properties. If you want to notify a user you may use {{ping|foo bar}} at any place on this wiki. Regards gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

twinned administrative body (P190)Edit

Hi! Siehe bitte https://www.wikidata.org/?diff=136905952&oldid=136760652#top und claim[1036] AND claim[190]. Ich schreibe eine furze email Gruß aus München לערי ריינהארט (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Hallo לערי ריינהארט, ich glaube es ist ein Missverständnis. Dies ist gar nicht mein Thema. Gruß --Oursana (talk) 00:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Q16782023Edit

Hi Oursana, the item in question was Virgin of the Rocks. It contained no sitelinks, was not used in any other items, and contained no references, so it failed WD:N so far as I could see. If you would like it restored so that it can be made to pass the notability criteria I'd be happy to restore it for you. Cheers and happy editing. Delsion23 (talk) 21:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
o yes thank you and please restore it for me to check and try to pass the notability criteria. I am familiar with his item and will do my best. Looking forward to your restoration. Cheers and thanks for your work.

Could you please also tell me about the deleted item North borough of Brescia (Q16965019) --Oursana (talk) 22:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
It was "Nord", a borough of Brescia. It was deleted for the same reasons as above. Would you like this to be restored so it can be improved to pass WD:N? I have restored the other item. Cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Definetely yes. Thank you--Oursana (talk) 23:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I have restored Q16965019 for you to work on. The item Q16782023 has been merged as it duplicated a topic. The good new is that it now passes WD:N. Happy editing :) Delsion23 (talk) 09:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Q16965019 and Q17278591 do not pass WD:N, can you please improve them so that they do so or I will delete them in a day or two. Thanks. Delsion23 (talk) 19:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thank you Delusion 23, please check WD:N of Q16965019, see Notabilitiy 3) It fulfills some structural need. I gave an official website, locator map images, residents with reference; there won't be a sideline but the item is necessary as administrative unit to show administration and quarters of Brescia, see it:Brescia#Circoscrizioni e quartieri it:Quartieri di Brescia#La Nord, see also Altona (Q1630).

Perhaps you can help me with center (Q17278591), please see discussion--Oursana (talk) 17:32, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Oursana. They are both fine now, they both pass WD:N. If any of your items appear at User:Pasleim/notability I shall be sure to contact you first rather than delete them. Delsion23 (talk) 18:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Super, enjoy your evening. Cheers--Oursana (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Districts, wards, MadridEdit

Hi, Oursana! I've seen your edits in content related to "wards and districts in Madrid". I don't know what's the better approach to this situation. Are you sure it's correct creating elements for each city sort of "Wards of Madrid", "Wards of Berlín", "Wards of Maputo", "Wards of Stuttgart",... and the same thing with each town in this whole world intead using properties (instance of (P31)) or (P132 (P132)) adding a statement -> "ward/quartier/barrio/..." and a qualifier kinda (P1134 (P1134)) or (located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)) -> "Madrid"? And... in Madrid at least there are administrative wards (sometimes pretty unknown to people) and some "historical" wards, with more tradition but not used by City Town Hall with census purposes and that stuff. Maybe it's interesting splitting'em up. Cheers! —Totemkin (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Totemkin, thank you for writing me, I was also planning to ask you, but you were quicker.
For the first part of your question yes I am sure, we have exercised this system for e.g. with borough of Hamburg (Q278976), but this is the lowest administrative level. I am sorry I did not realize the administrative wards, I will try to correct my edits. Is the Prado in Palacio?
Most of the districts and wards of Berlin…etc have articles so this system makes sense to me.
I am sorry, I do not understand ward of Madrid (Q17276937) (historical ward?) and not with subclass of (P279) of neighborhood of Madrid (Q10267336). An extra item only makes sense if these wards are mentioned and have at least many of them an extra item. Gruß --Oursana (talk) 21:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
First part. If you mean Prado Museum, it's located in Jerónimos ward, Retiro district. "Palacio" belongs to Centro district. A useful set of maps can be consulted in this page (Distritos -> Seleccione el distrito de su interés -> Centro (for example) -> Click -> Datos generales -> Mapa del distrito -> this)
"Historical ward" (or "popular" or "non administrative" or whatever) it would be referred to things like Madrid de los Austrias or barrio de La Latina, those wards don't appear as administrative entities according to City Town Hall, but... they "exist". Then there would be a Q for "wards in Madrid", with two subclasses: "administrative wards in Madrid" and "non administrative wards in Madrid/other wards in Madrid/historical wards/(...)", both hanging from "Wards in Madrid". Cheers!/Grüezi!—Totemkin (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

EditionsEdit

Bonjour Oursana, d'après les recommandations de Help:Sources, il faut créer un élément différent pour désigner une oeuvre et pour désigner une édition particulière de cette oeuvre que l'on veut utiliser comme référence, même lorsque c'est l'édition originale, et même lorsqu'il n'y a eu qu'une édition de l'oeuvre. Jamot and Wildenstein, Manet, catalogue critique, 1st edition (Q15619449) est donc bien une instance d'édition. C'est Manet, catalogue critique (Q17586287) qui est une instance de catalogue. --Zolo (talk) 06:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

J'essayerai de le comprendre, merci.--Oursana (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Regional Council in ItalyEdit

Hi Oursana, per this edit of yours: I didn't remove "subclass of=legislature of a constituent state" because it lacked "subclass of=assembly", but rather because Regional Councils in Italy are just decentralised bodies of government, i.e. not an assembly of a constituent state like a German Landtag or a Belgian Parliament is. If you agree, I propose to change it again to "subclass of=assembly". It's unfortunate there is no edit summary unless you are reverting someone. :) Regards, SPQRobin (talk) 22:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi SPQRobin, sorry IMHO italian regions are not decentralised bodies of government, otherwise a parliament would not be needed, please read de:Italienische Regionen#Institutionelle Strukturen: Regionalrat (consiglio regionale), der mit den Landtagen der deutschen Länder vergleichbar ist, en:Regional council (Italy)#Origins based on the model of federal States. So I would suggest to keep my last edit. Regards--Oursana (talk) 01:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Virtually any political entity has an elected assembly, from a municipal council to a national parliament (by which I mean, it's normal Italian regions have councils as well). For example, French departments and regions also have their elected councils, of which you could say they are also comparable to e.g. Landtage. The difference is, since Länder are considered to be constituent states of a federation, their Landtage are legislatures of a constituent state; whereas France is considered a highly centralised state where the conseils généraux and conseils régionaux are assemblies without much legislative power. That being said, I looked up a bit on the Italian regions, and I have the impression Italy is kind of a federal state without being considered as such. So I guess if you follow what actually exists, "subclass of=legislature of a constituent state" is probably true, but if you follow political and academic "consensus", "subclass of=assembly" is probably true. SPQRobin (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
And if you consider now, that I made legislature of a constituent state subclass of assembly I hope everything will be fine.--Oursana (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, that doesn't make a difference to my point. But it isn't majorly important, so I'll leave it at this. I just wanted to make sure you understand my reasoning :) SPQRobin (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes I understood, but do not ask me about kind of a federal state without being considered as such;-)--Oursana (talk) 20:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Adoration of the Magi (Q522792)Edit

Look at contents of the pages - they are lists of paintings. So I believe that the item describe some class of paintings. Please don't mention technical template "disambig". --Infovarius (talk) 10:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

IMHO a Wikipedia disambiguation page, also when listing paintings, can never be a subclass of painting, (one painting). Please don't mention technical template "disambig".I'am sorry, this I do not understand, further more applies to part (P518) makes no sense. And I want you to consider, that even an other experienced user, does not agree with these changes of you.--Oursana (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
"Disambiguation page" is defined by inclusion of some template, technically. But by content it can be of different senses. Here we have "disambiguation page" as a list of paintings. And I suppose that a list of paintings should have properties linking it to the painting. By P518 I've meant that at least some language versions can be fully considered as a list. Infovarius (talk) 12:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Currency of island partEdit

Why this edit? It seems correct. P.S. I've answered on my talkpage. --Infovarius (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You are right, I reverted my edit, thanks for writing me--Oursana (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Danke für deine EinführungEdit

Ich habe die Gemeinde Seevetal um die beiden Wappen (samt Qualifikatoren) und die Property Einwohnerzahl ergänzt. Morgen werde ich das bei den Teilgemeinden machen, dann sind die nur an einer Stelle dokumentiert. Irgendwann, wenn das bei WD geht, müssen nur noch die Daten automatisch importiert werden und schon sind nicht jeden Januar 21 WP-Artikel veraltet und das auch noch in allen Sprachversionen. Super. Jetzt muss ich nur noch lernen, wie ich das aktuelle Wappen in den WP-Artikel reinkrieg. Das hieß mal RTFM: read the fucking manual :-) Mach ich dann, ist ja ganz gut erläutert. Also nochmal danke für den Anschwung. --Pankoken (talk) 20:59, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Dein Revert in HokkaidoEdit

Hallo. Du hast die Offizielle Webseite wieder aus dem Datesatz von Hokkaido entfernt. Gibt es dafür einen Grund? Diese Property wird bei unseren Regionenartikeln automatisch im Artikel eingebunden. Nun fehlt der Eintrag... -- DerFussi 09:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Ich hatte diese Aussage schon mal am 13.10.2014 entfernt. Die Begründung hatte ich auch mitgeliefert. Die off. website Präfektur gehört zum Präfektur Datensatz und ist dort auch. Bei dem Inseldatensatz hat er nichts zu suchen.Oursana (talk) 09:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Dann ist aber auch die Zuordnung zum Wikipediaartikel nicht ganz korrekt sowie Beschreibung des Inselartikels. Ich kann unsere Verbindung von WV zum richtigen Präfekturdatensatz korrigieren, dann funktioniert aber der Wikipedia-Link nicht mehr. Gibt es dafür eine Lösung? -- DerFussi 09:44, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Konsequenterweise müsste man von der Insel auch Hauptstadt und Flagge entfernen, da sie bei Inselobjekten wohl nicht üblich sind. -- DerFussi 09:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

MergeEdit

Hi, merging item about company with item about building (although the building may be the headquarter of the company) is not a good idea.--Jklamo (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it is a better idea than leave this alone. I saw many times that a castle/museum was in one item, otherwise you could never mention the architects without an extra item. I would say to merge these items or not depends on the quantity of the claims, which was in both merged items very low. Your reverts were not helpful, you should revert the merger and reinstall the building-item. But IMHO the merger is a better solution. See National Gallery (Q180788), subclasses of museum (Q33506)Oursana (talk) 21:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Blue BoyEdit

Bonjour, j'ai ajouté "propriétaire : Huntington Library" avec rank = privlieged à l'élément sur le Blue Boy. Je ne trouve pas de source, et je ne sais pas si c'est juridiquement exact, mais c'est nécessaire d'avoir le propriétaire actuel avec rang privilégié parce que Wikidata a été activé dans le champ propriétaire de fr:Modèle:Infobox Art, et si on a pas ça on se retrouve avec la liste entière des propriétaires sur fr:L'Enfant bleu (Gainsborough), et c'est un peu trop long. --Zolo (talk) 07:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Merci Zolo, très intéressant. J'ai fait quelques changements.
Est limité la quantité des références? Je voudrais ajouter pour Duveen aussi le livre du dernier URL avec stated in (P248) et pages, mais je ne peux pas enregistrer.
Et il y a beaucoup des constraint violations p.e. parce que les expositions ne sont pas nommé comme expositions temporaires, mais IMHO sont désormais importantes

Oursana (talk) 13:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

bitte ru:Чупан-ата & de:Çopan-Ata mergenEdit

Çopan-Ata gibt's auch in ca: --Jmv (talk) 13:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC) ✓ Done, jetzt alle 3 in Q16718771

Hast Du schon bei Entstellungen, Helferlein den Haken bei Merge gemacht? :)--Oursana (talk) 14:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Ja gestern, war aber erst heute sichtbar. muß man dazu neu einlochen?--Jmv (talk) 07:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC) Eigentlich nicht. Manchmal daher die Sichtbarkeit wohl. Aber da kenne ich mich nicht aus. Oursana (talk) 08:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

HalloEdit

Hallo Oursana,

danke für deine Arbeit hier. Ich möchte mich aber über den Haifisch Anfall beschweren. Muss schlimm sein, wenn so ein Haifisch einen Anfall bekommt! Viele Grüße,--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Country an administrative unitEdit

Hi,

Right for all the 27 region of France (Q36784), there is located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) = France (Q142) (as you can see on Query: claim[31:36784] and claim[131:142] except for Brittany (Q12130) were you removed it). If you remove it, then there is a constraint violation on contains administrative territorial entity (P150). Moreover, if you remove France (Q142) there is only Metropolitan France (Q212429) left which is very strange since it's not a administrative unit at all.

I'm not against removing located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) = France (Q142) but if it's done, it should be done correctly and consistently : for all region of France (Q36784) (not only Brittany (Q12130)), removing located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) = Metropolitan France (Q212429) too, adding exceptions on contains administrative territorial entity (P150), and so on.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vigneron, I asked at Wikidata:Project chat#Country an administrative unit, because this is not my favorite. Hopefully we get some experts. But about removing France I am pretty sure. Regards--Oursana (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Florentine musea artwork idEdit

I've created Florentine musea catalogue ID (P2242) based on your request. Mbch331 (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Please do not "base" artworks on biblical referencesEdit

Hi Oursana, thanks for your work in Wikidata! I noticed that you used the "based on" property based on (P144) to show that a particular painting (e.g. here) is based on a biblical story. A painting is not a story of itself, and only stories can be based on other stories. An artwork can be based on another artwork, but not on a story. So the biblical reference belongs in the "depicts" property depicts (P180), which I made for example here. Hope it helps. --Jane023 (talk) 09:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jane023 perhaps you can look here where we discussed about using based on (P144). depicts (P180) IMHO is too weak, you use it for e.g. mountain, man etc. But for the whole story behind a painting I would still prefer using based on (P144), which I always did with no one bothering about it. Wikidata:Forum/Archiv/2014/01#Die Erschaffung Adams (Q500242) √ und andere Bibelstellen Kindermord in Betlehem (Q643474) , Literaturgrundlage

--Oursana (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Q232087Edit

Hallo Oursana, Du fragst, warum ich country (P17) für dieses Objekt gelöscht habe. Bei gestalterischen Arbeiten (Werken) ist country of origin (P495) die speziellere Eigenschaft zur Spezifikation des Landes. Wenn es um den Stand- oder Aufbewahrungsort eines Objekts geht, z.B. ein Museum, ist location (P276) auch gut ergänzend einsetzbar. In diesem Sinne bitte Dich zu überlegen, ob du country (P17) für dieses Objekt weiter angeben möchtest. Liebe Grüße--Gbeckmann (talk) 07:19, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Staat und Ursprungsland sind aber was komplett anderes und müssen nicht übereinstimmen, wie hier. Deswegen kann country of origin (P495) nicht spezieller sein. Staat gibt an, in welchem Staat das Objekt sich befindet. Ursprungsland, aus welchem Land das Objekt stammt. Bei italienischen Kunstwerken, meinem Schwerpunkt hier, fällt das regelmäßig auseinander. Aber auch wenn es zusammenfällt wie hier, ist das eine wichtige Information. Ich habe diese Eigenschaft in diesem Zusammenhang unzählige Male gesetzt und gesetzt gesehen und verwende sie auch hier wieder. Du kannst das ja auch noch einmal überdenken. Wenn Du nicht damit leben kannst, müssen wir das im Forum oder Projekt Visual Arts diskutieren. Aber ich denke die Begriffe sind hier eindeutig. Gruß --Oursana (talk) 13:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Deine Argumentation für Gemälde ist stichhaltig. Wahrscheinlich hilft es hier verschiedene Fälle zu unterscheiden. Bei materiellen Gütern, z.B. Gemälden oder Skulpturen, drücken country (P17) und country of origin (P495) etwas Unterschiedliches aus und sollten auch unterschieden werden. Bei immateriellen Gütern, z.B. Filmen, sollte m.E. nur Ursprungsland gesetzt werden, da sich ein solches Gut nicht "in einem Land befindet".--Gbeckmann (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

PräfekturEdit

Hi. Wir hatten ja schon mal bei einer Sache in Japan zu tun. Ich habe gerade ein Modul geschrieben, welches wir auf Wikivoyage für die Ortsartikel nutzen. Wir nutzen da künftige eine einzige Infoboxvorlage. Diese hangelt sich hier auf Wikidata in der Hierarchie nach oben und liefert zu jedem Ort die passende Provinz/Bundesland/Woiwodschaft. bzw. Präfektur. Derzeit wird in der Infobox dann das passende Label des Provinzobjektes angezeigt. Ein Beispiel sieht man in Okinawa. Dort sieht man auch mein Dilemma. Die Bezeichnung lautet hier “Präfektur Okinawa”. Ist eigentlich redundant, da in der Beschreibung ja “Präfektur in Japan” steht und diese auch immer angezeigt wird. “Okinawa” täte reichen. Bei den thailändischen Provinzen, die auch oft genau so, wie die Hauptstadt heißen, wird dies auch nicht praktiziert. Dort steht auch nicht Provinz “Nan”. Siehe: Nan. Wie seht ihr das hier? Gibt es da eine Richtlinie? -- DerFussi 12:42, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Hallo Fussi, ich bin leider kein Japan-Spezialist und habe hie nur zu bestimmten Strukturen gearbeitet. Gruß --Oursana (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Camille PissarroEdit

Thx for adding info to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q22683822 (Selbstporträt mit Hut - Gemälde von Camille Pissarro). May be it will have interrest, I have added wikidata to nearly all Camille Pissarros paintings, you kan see it on these two list : https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruger:Palnatoke/Autolister/Kultur/V%C3%A6rker_af_Camille_Pissarro and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/listeria_test2 --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 13:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)Edit

Hallo, schau dir mal die Constraints und Beispiele für diese Eigenschaft an. P131 ist für ortsfeste Dinge gedacht. Für "Aufbewahrungsorte" (im weiteres Sinne) gibt es location (P276). --Srittau (talk) 13:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Removing collectionEdit

Hi Oursana, on The City Hall on Dam Square, (Q17791414) you removed collection (P195) ->Amsterdam Museum (Q1820897). Why did you do that? Multichill (talk) 16:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

And what's up with this edit? Outdated information gets ranked as deprecated, not removed. Multichill (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Seriously? Stop it, you're getting on my nerves. For collection (P195) it doesn't matter what the ownership status is. If the collection bothered to add it and give it an inventory number, it's in the collection or are you going to remove collection (P195)-> Rijksmuseum (Q190804) from The Night Watch (Q219831) too? Museum like the Rijksmuseum and Amsterdam Museum have hundreds of loans in their collections. Multichill (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
This is not the tone that I will answer to.--Oursana (talk) 01:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Putting your head in the sand is not going to work here. You're making incorrect edits and undoing another user and not being responsive at all. Please just don't mix up these cases again:
  • Something was the case for a certain period (painting was in a collection) -> qualify it with start time (P580)/end time (P582)
  • Something was thought to be the case, but turned out to be plain wrong (painting by Berckheyde turned out to be not by him) -> rank the statement as deprecated
  • Multiple statements fro a certain statement (painting has been in multiple collections) -> You can set the statement that is currently true to preferred, we don't do that a lot
Do you understand this? Do you understand now why I did this edit? Multichill (talk) 10:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Of course, I understood everything, though I'm not familiar with every aspect about ranking and I'm not sure if you are. We will see. And I am responsive as I explained my edits in the summaries before your PA. And in the past it was you, who was not always responsive on my talk page at commons. Anyway I thank you for your explanations. I am familiar with case 1 and 3. For multiple or outdated statements one has to consider how it is handled in automatic lists or info boxes. If you keep inventory number (P217) with normal ranking, though it is has ended, it will show up in lists and info boxes, do you consider that? See User talk:Oursana#Blue Boy. I want to prevent the outdated inventory number (P217) to show up in lists and infoboxes.
And it is also wrong not to use collection (P195) with the only valid statement: private collection (Q768717) when summoning up object history --Oursana (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
If some value is marked as "preferred" then "normal rank" values should not show up in infoboxes (or at least it can be adjusted in the modules). --Infovarius (talk) 09:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I know this, like it is with The Blue Boy (Q604761) owned by (P127), but with The City Hall on Dam Square, (Q17791414) the outdated inventory number (P217),end time (P582) will show up, as there is no other preferred statement. One would need a "preferred" statement unknown or similar--Oursana (talk) 10:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
If you don't want provenance information in your module, I would just adjust the code to ignore everything qualified with end time (P582). That would filter it out. Also saves you editing loads of items. Multichill (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, so I see how it can work.--Oursana (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
@Zebulon84: @Zolo: you seem to be most active at fr:Module:Infobox/Art. Oursana and I had a bit of a misunderstanding regarding provenance. On Wikidata we keep this whole tail of location/owner/collection/inventory number etc., but on Wikipedia you only want to show the current state. One way to do that is to use the preferred rank. On top of that it would be nice to filter out statements which are qualified with end time (P582), but only if multiple statements exist (otherwise you'll run into some fun edge cases). Is this possible?
Related, but slightly different. Works can be in multiple collections at the same time. Do you want to show both or only one? How do you decide which one to show? Multichill (talk) 13:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
At the moment the collection / location / owner part of fr:Modèle:Infobox Art is rudimentary. It does not use collection (P195) at all, and just lists location (P276) with the best rank. Things are a bit tricky because the templat was conceived before Wikidata, and it does not differentiate between location and collection. It concatenates three local parameters museum, city and country on the same lines.
I have just added an optional filter to fr:Module:Wikidata for removing statements with an end date < today (rather than all those with an end date: some events can be known in advance).--Zolo (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, this sounds wise and will hopefully work for e.g. with Tavola Doria (Q2397593), which is also a complicated example with future end time (P582). I looked up Mona Lisa (Q12418), which also doesn't look nice concerning property. --Oursana (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

The Virgin and Child under an Apple Tree (Q16038763)Edit

Hi Oursana, can you explain what you did with this item? I don't understand why you would remove the collection property. Jane023 (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hmm paintings should not have official websites. Jane023 (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Are you really sure? Or shall we discuss it more broadly--Oursana (talk) 18:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

AnonymitätEdit

Please don't add creator (P170) -> anonymity (Q308859), you should add creator (P170) -> anonymous (Q4233718). Multichill (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

ok, normally I do--Oursana (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Source of the Berckheyde mix upEdit

painting 1
painting 2

File:Het stadhuis op de Dam te Amsterdam Rijksmuseum SK-A-1733.jpeg. That's showing The City Hall on Dam Square, (Q17791414), but the SK-A-1733 is Amsterdam Town Hall on Dam Square (Q17324643) which is File:SB 1160-De Dam, naar het westen gezien, met het Stadhuis.jpg. Multichill (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I did not answer yet because I'm still checking. At The City Hall on Dam Square, (Q17791414) I saw you at 13. Januar 2017, 12:29: adding by merge Het stadhuis op de Dam te Amsterdam Rijksmuseum SK-A-1733.jpeg, which I corrected yesterday. There was and still is a perfect image (P18)--Oursana (talk) 17:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia language codeEdit

You seem to be using Wikimedia language code (P424) as a qualifier to described at URL (P973). This is not correct. You probably want to use language of work or name (P407). Here is a list of items that have this problem. Multichill (talk) 18:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I think I changed already about 30, only little from other users too, also used together with other qualifiers. But also P973 doesn't seem to be perfect as the reference is no work. Could we think of a new property and could your bot help me?--Oursana (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

canvas (Q4259259) and canvas (Q12321255)Edit

I noticed you sometimes changing canvas (Q4259259) to canvas (Q12321255). I don't think this is correct canvas (Q12321255) is about the surface to paint on, not exactly what kind of material it is. The Dutch Wikipedia mentions several possibilities. Please have a look at Talk:Q4259259 and don't change anything until this is sorted out. Multichill (talk) 15:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

after message above I was hesitating talking about that. I'm afraid, we cannot solve it. In German (Q4259259) does not work at all, in all museums you will always find the German text of canvas (Q12321255). The linking seems to be a little bit conflicting, when I have time, I will explain, perhaps solve a little, there are more items like linen (Q1426327) awful German naming. Anyway I stop and will read nl.--Oursana (talk) 19:15, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Dutch is the same mess. I'll see what the AAT made of this. Maybe we can copy their solution. We will solve it some day..... Multichill (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Unused propertyEdit

This is a kind reminder that the following properties were created more than six months ago: DSH object ID (P1822). As of today, these properties are used on less than five items. As the proposer of these properties you probably want to change the unfortunate situation by adding a few statements to items. --Pasleim (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Removal of N. of Luxemburg, Prince of Hungary (Q1160007) from the list of King Sigismund's childrenEdit

Hi Oursana, you have removed Q1160007 from Sigismund (Q57124)'s children. Some references for this child are given in the last few lines of the page about his mother. --Melderick (talk) 15:35, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Son of Sigismund of LuxembourgEdit

Hi Oursana. I see you have removed N. of Luxemburg, Prince of Hungary (Q1160007) from the children of emperor Sigismund (Q57124) asking for a reference. It seems to be stated by Sándor Márki ([1]). So, I will re-add the son to Sigismond. By the way, instead of removing unsourced statements it would be better to set them to deprecated. --Melderick (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Denkmalliste BrandenburgEdit

Ich bin niemand der gerne über die Versionsgeschichte kommuniziert: Die Denkmallisten-Eigenschaft war unter dem kryptischen Namen nicht auffindbar, sodass sie bis auf ein paar Einträge nicht genutzt wurde. Eine Großzahl der Einträge stammt heute aus dem Import von der deutschen Wikipedia. Ich werde "Denkmalliste Brandenburg" nun als Alias setzen, schön ist es nicht, aber gut. Queryzo (talk) 05:46, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Es bleibt aber immer noch falsch, http://www.bldam-brandenburg.de --Oursana (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

place of burial (P119)Edit

Hi,

place of burial (P119) is for people only (or for things similar to people, like animal or persons, things that have a body to bury), look at the description and the constraints of this property. St. Michaelis (Q1302330) is the only true constraint violation right now.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 06:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

ok, merci--Oursana (talk) 06:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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A Lady seated Writing a Letter (Q48709579)Edit

Hi Oursana, reverting back and forth is not helping, so I will just explain it here. If you see a painting and can't find the collection or disagree with the collection, please try to find the collection and add it. Please do not remove metadata from the item. In this case, the rkd disagrees with your statement that it is not in the collection. If you feel it is not in the collection, that does not make the statement in the rkd untrue. The painting could easily have been on loan there and that is why there is no id number in the collection. Jane023 (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

In this case I am very familiar with the actual collection of the less than 200 paintings of Bildergalerie Sanssouci. There has been published an actual catalogue as well as documentation of Google Cultural where you can check, that the painting is not within the collection. It is a mistake by rkd. You did not even search the actual catalogue. Only if you show me the catalogue entry supporting your opinion, you can revert me. THe catalogue from Bildergalerie in this case counts more than the rkd. By the way it is circle of ter Borch, what you mixed as well. Your stubborn and teacher-like behaviour in this project is not appreciated. Try to discuss in 2019. Regards--Oursana (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Please see the record - I added the qualifications for time. You seem unable to comprehend that collections change over time. Jane023 (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
But it was not there in 1772 and 1773. Rkd cites , Gudlaugsson: 'Die von HdG. angeführte Provenienz aus der Sammlung Choiseul bezieht sich nicht auf dieses Exemplar, sondern auf die Kopie g.' etc.; after hdG in 1833 : Six van Hillegom; The Bildergalerie is a historic baroque collection and therefore generally is not changed, but you are ignorant to this gallery, which you do not even know.--Oursana (talk) 00:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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