Wikidata:Property proposal/BnF archives and manuscripts ID

‎BnF archives and manuscripts ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: BnF archives and manuscripts ID (P12207) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a manuscript in the archives and manuscripts catalogue of the Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF). Do not include the initial "cc"
Represents	manuscript (Q87167), collection (Q2668072), fonds (Q3052382), archive (Q166118), others possible
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Example 1	Lectionary 147 (Q6511934)BnF archives and manuscripts ID 233481
Example 2	The National Library of France Paris France Ms. hebr. 7 (Q114877597)BnF archives and manuscripts ID 5340r
Example 3	Kitâb al-Diryâq - BNF Arabe2964 (Q15965524)BnF archives and manuscripts ID 308747
Example 4	Minuscule 28 (Q931327)BnF archives and manuscripts ID 23415v{{{5}}}
Source	https://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/
Planned use	important for Wikidata:WikiProject Manuscripts
Number of IDs in source	unknown, thousands
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cc$1
See also	Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268)
Applicable "stated in"-value	BnF archives and manuscripts catalogue (Q123575682)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Manuscripts (Q123078816)

Motivation

Angayubagia CRolker Epìdosis HHill Jahl de Vautban Jason Evans Jonathan Groß Lynn Ransom Marsupium MartinPoulter Mel22 Pmt PKM Toby Burrows Maxime

Notified participants of WikiProject Manuscripts

VIGNERON
Ayack
Benoît Prieur
Ash Crow
Tubezlob
PAC2
Thierry Caro
Pymouss
Alphos
GAllegre
Jean-Frédéric
Manu1400
Marianne Casamance
Nattes à chat
Pierre André
Bouzinac
Jsamwrites
Baidax
LearnKnowGive1
Mathieu Kappler
Daieuxetdailleurs
Archives nationales DJI
Jmax
LearnKnowGive1
Koxinga
Maxime
Framawiki
Legonin

Notified participants of WikiProject France

Vladimir Alexiev Jonathan Groß Andy Mabbett Jneubert Sic19 Wikidelo ArthurPSmith PKM Ettorerizza Fuzheado Daniel Mietchen Iwan.Aucamp Epìdosis Sotho Tal Ker Bargioni Carlobia Pablo Busatto Matlin Msuicat Uomovariabile Silva Selva 1-Byte Alessandra.Moi CamelCaseNick Songceci moz AhavaCohen Kolja21 RShigapov Jason.nlw MasterRus21thCentury Newt713 Pierre Tribhou Ahatd JordanTimothyJames Silviafanti Back ache AfricanLibrarian M.roszkowski Rhagfyr 沈澄心 MrBenjo S.v.Mering Hiperterminal (talk) מקף Lovelano Ecravo

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

The existing property Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268) is for the general catalogue of the Bibliothèque nationale de France (Q193563); there is a separate online catalogue for manuscripts and archives, with a different identifier format.

Wikidata has 311 manuscript items identified with the collections of the Bibliothèque nationale de France (Q193563) and hundreds more BnF manuscript items missing any collections data. Before we clean these up, we should create an identifier for the BnF archives and manuscripts catalogue so we can describe these items properly.

This is a huge catalogue; the scope is indicated by this contents page.

Notes:

• Gallica ID (P4258) should have its exception to constraint (P2303) item-requires-statement constraint (Q21503247) value updated to include this property as an alternative.
• This property should have ARK formatter (P8054) = ark:/12148/cc$1
• Aliases for this property should include "BAM ID"
• I think the URL match pattern should be ^https?:\/\/archivesetmanuscrits\.bnf\.fr\/ark:\/12148\/cc(\d{5,6,7}[0-9bcdfghjkmnpqrstvwxz])
• Equivalent property: https://data.biblissima.fr/w/Property:P198

- PKM (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support --Epìdosis 09:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
•  Support MartinPoulter (talk) 16:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
•  Support --Deansfa (talk) 16:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• @PKM, Epìdosis, MartinPoulter, Deansfa:  Done BnF archives and manuscripts ID (P12207). Jonathan Groß (talk) 08:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)