Wikidata:Property proposal/Ashmolean museum ID

Ashmolean Museum online ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: Ashmolean museum ID (P6610) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of the object on online Ashmolean Museum collections
Represents	Ashmolean Museum (Q636400)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Works of art, objects
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{4}
Example	on Design for an heraldic panel of stained glass (Q12104119) -> 81354
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	on all objects from Ashmolean Museum
Number of IDs in source	63,239 (2019-03-18)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://collections.ashmolean.org/object/$1
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings

Motivation edit

WikiProject sum of all paintings has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. to allow storing of id for direct linking of objects on their page on collections.ashmolean.org/Hsarrazin (talk) 15:52, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support David (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~{{O}}~~ for now: The page used as an example includes a "Reference URL" given as http://collections.ashmolean.org/object/81354 which uses a different ID to that in the example. @Hsarrazin: Why was the former chosen, and not the latter? @MartinPoulter: As Wikimedian in Residence at the University of Oxford (the Ashmolean's parent body), do you have any input? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- ah... I did not notice that when I copied the object number - the url adress http://collections.ashmolean.org/object/81354 had been transformed to http://collections.ashmolean.org/collection/browse-9148/object/47862 (thus a different object number). I do not understand it either :( - but my proposition gave the correct link, using the final url with the given ID - the url I used when sourcing the statements. The sourcing info was changed after my work... --Hsarrazin (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as revised. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ in this form. The footers of collections.ashmolean.org and jameelcentre.ashmolean.org make clear that the short form http://collections.ashmolean.org/object/NUMBER or http://jameelcentre.ashmolean.org/object/NUMBER is intended as the permalink. Those URLs expand to a longer URL as shown in this proposal, but I don't think those long forms of the URLs are intended to be as permanent as the short forms. I think the fact that the Ashmolean collections database is spread over multiple domains makes it problematic to have an Ashmolean Museum ID. I use described at URL (P973) with the short-form permalink. Still, the Ashmolean is an important institution and I'm glad people are thinking about it. Thanks for the ping, @Pigsonthewing:. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- ok, so let's change my proposal to the "shor url" form of the adress, and the the IDs are different : It is written at the bottom of the page as "Reference URL" --Hsarrazin (talk) 19:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've changed the proposal accordingly. @Pigsonthewing, MartinPoulter: Can you reassess? Thanks, --Marsupium (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @MartinPoulter: You say "I think the fact that the Ashmolean collections database is spread over multiple domains makes it problematic to have an Ashmolean Museum ID." I don't see how that is related, we can have a property each for http://collections.ashmolean.org and http://jameelcentre.ashmolean.org or for one and use described at URL (P973) for the other, no? Should just this one get another name like "Ashmolean Collection Online ID" or "collections.ashmolean.org ID"? Thanks, --Marsupium (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the "Reference URL" now used in the proposal. --Marsupium (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support the revised proposal. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hsarrazin, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Pigsonthewing, MartinPoulter, Marsupium: Done as Ashmolean museum ID (P6610). Thierry Caro (talk) 09:01, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]