Wikidata talk:WikiProject sum of all paintings

See also: Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts and Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Questions

'Described at' 404s

All of these seem to be 404s, not sure how to fix but just flagging this up. Mu.Zee paintings Battleofalma (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Battleofalma: it's a shame, but so common we have Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Link rot for this. I updated it. Multichill (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Iconclass again

I recall when I proposed depicts Iconclass notation (P1257) that we needed some sort of way to have the corresponding items show up in depicts. This is complicated by the simple fact that iconclass (like the Dewy Decimal system it is based on) is riddled with doubles and is also richer than Wikidata. We probably need a qualifer for each link with the "stated as" text of the iconclass value in English as a quick visual check that it's the correct set of values. I say this because I just switched the rkdimage nr. 7101 from Family Portrait of Braems-Van der Laen with Christ Blessing the Children (Q17522685) (needed to be 7115) to Regents of the Children's Orphanage in Haarlem (Q17524185) (now has 7101. I noticed when the family portrait showed up in your Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/RKD to match/Oldest additions @Multichill! Is there a way to move the iconclass values from one item to another? Maybe instead of adding the iconclass text to each value, instead add the Dutch title as a qualifier to the RKDimage RKDimages ID (P350)? Jane023 (talk) 07:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't forget to remove the incorrect statements if the match was incorrect. The iconclass system is more like tagging and a bit hard to combine with Wikidata. Currently I only use it as a source for suggestions. Multichill (talk) 11:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks, good to know. Jane023 (talk) 12:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Picasso SOAP (and also Henner)

Expensive books

As of today, 799 of Pablo Picasso's paintings have been given the WD treatment. That's about one third, or 33%, of his total output as a painter. Shouldn't it be an absolute priority that the list of his works be completed? He shouldn't be ranked so low here: Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Top creators by number of paintings.
Speaking of notable painters who have left us tons of paintings without that fact being reflected here, let us pause one moment and think of poor Jean-Jacques Henner. That man has covered well over 1,000 canvases and panels in paint and even has a National Museum to his name. And yet, he doesn't even appear on that list! Life is unfair. Edelseider (talk) 09:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Edelseider: It's all about digitally accessible sources. The main catalogue raisonné for Picasso is by Christian Zervos (Q1082430) (see picture on the right). As far as I know this is only available in print. It's not something you can easily access. Multichill (talk) 10:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Edelseider: It's also about volunteers! Each online or offline resource needs a Wikidata volunteer to work on importing the metadata locked inside. For paintings by local painters I am always interested. For paintings by painters outside my local or favorites list, not so much. Jane023 (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Syndication of other online catalogs

We currently link to quite a few other online catalogs. I've been contemplating for a while if we should do more bulk imports of these kind of catalogs. These items would probably be of lower quality (less statements) than what I normally do. It would increase the number of paintings and thus the coverage we have making it easier for others because than you have an existing item to expand. Any thoughts? Multichill (talk) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I started with Art UK, see Property talk:P1679#Incoming!. We currently have 40K Art UK artwork ID (P1679) out of 215K paintings. Multichill (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I wholly support this (and would love to have the Art UK sculptures too, even though they aren't paintings). Jane023 (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

new proposal J._Paul_Getty_Museum_agent_ID

I proposed a new prop Wikidata:Property_proposal/J._Paul_Getty_Museum_agent_ID to replace the old J. Paul Getty Museum agent DOR ID (old) (P2432) -- Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

SOAP relies on bots, and these bots are working less and less well. It's frustrating.

@Jane023: @Multichill: @Jean-Frédéric: @Nono314: @Thierry Caro: We've had one of these weekends again where nothing works. InteGraalityBot has overslept ([1]), and BotMultichillT has, once again, not proceeded to the weekly update ([2]). Add to this that ListeriaBot doesn't do any manual updates any more. We are too reliant on bots, and now we are f*cked. Edelseider (talk) 07:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

My listeria lists are all working semi-regularly, so if yours haven't run in a while, try trimming them down - they may be timing out. I regularly trim my "Top <whatever>" lists that use counts, by increasing the count by one. When I get annoyed I just grab the query out of the listeria list and run the query directly and go from there, which is often faster anyway. Jane023 (talk) 07:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

If it was only Listeria - but the others bots are working less well, too. That's the point of my complaint... three bots are malfunctioning at the same time. And I didn't even check HannolansBot. Edelseider (talk) 07:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. integraality currently tracks close to 800 dashboards ; 665 were correctly updated last night according to the execution logs.

I’m trying to reproduce locally what’s happening for that particular page locally; it seems like it choked on Grimsby Fishing Heritage Centre (Q120133106) having been turned into a redirect. Jean-Fred (talk) 08:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that did the trick − see Special:Diff/1985488358. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

(As a tangent − while I do understand the sentiment, comments like “We are too reliant on bots”, “We are f*cked” etc. have somewhat mixed effects on my motivation to work on integraality… Jean-Fred (talk) 14:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC))

Populating J. Paul Getty Museum agent ID

Now that J. Paul Getty Museum agent ID (P12040) is created, can someone help with populating it? See Property talk:P12040#Populating J. Paul Getty Museum agent ID -- Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Any takers for this task? Please reply at the above link -- Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Museum of Fine Arts of Rennes identifier

Hi y'all,

Since {{Ping project|sum of all paintings}} cannot be used to ping participants of this projet, I'm leaving a message here to let you know that I created Wikidata:Property proposal/identifiant du musée des Beaux-Arts de Rennes.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

genre (P136) : mythological painting (Q3374376) how to be more precise ?

For lot of paintings, such as Odysseus in the battle with the suitors (Q124212032), we have the statement genre (P136) : mythological painting (Q3374376).

What is the right way to specify which mythology (Q9134), for instance here classical mythology (Q1367434) ?

Thanks ! Léna (talk) 08:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Genre is and should be a broad classification. You can add the relevant main subject (P921), see Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Top mythological art main subjects for some examples. Multichill (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

main subject (P921) are very specific (and it's a good thing), for instance here slaughter of the suitors (Q117830676). It means that queries for "all classical mythology (Q1367434) paintings" will be complicated no ? Léna (talk) 08:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

"Genre painting" (Q214127) and "genre art" (Q1047337) must be merged.

Guess which one has 15,738 items and which one has 11? Answer here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Top_genres. But merging these two is quite difficult because of all the interwiki links. Edelseider (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)