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Best regards! --VIGNERON (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Typography of French

Hi,

For information, in French, proper names for bridges (and others things) like Beatus Rhenanus Bridge (Q20980965) start with a lowercase initial.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Top work locations

You messed up the query. You should test it before you change a page and you should really test it before you undo my edits. Multichill (talk) 21:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Multichill: But I tested it, and I said so! Don't you believe me? What about assuming good faith? I had a high opinion of you, and now, that. Tsss. --Edelseider (talk) 05:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

This is what the query was:

SELECT ?item (COUNT(?item) as ?count) WHERE {
  ?painter wdt:P106 wd:Q1028181 .
  ?painter wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .
  ?painter wdt:P937 ?item .
} GROUP BY ?item
ORDER BY DESC(?count) 
LIMIT 250

You removed " ?painter wdt:P937 ?item ." turning it into:

SELECT ?item (COUNT(?item) as ?count) WHERE {
  ?painter wdt:P106 wd:Q1028181 .
  ?painter wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .
} GROUP BY ?item
ORDER BY DESC(?count) 
LIMIT 250

That doesn't work because the GROUP BY part references nothing. So not sure what you tested, but I'm sure it's not the query you saved.

Maybe you should assume good faith yourself and look into why someone undid your edit. Multichill (talk) 18:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Multichill: all I can tell you is that, as it now and was before, the list cannot be updated by ListeriaBot. When you click on "update manually", nothing happens. When I removed one criterion, the manual updating worked. There were "no new items" (which is curious and unbelievable), but at least ListeriaBot made a search. Did you try to update manually and see the result? Something has to be changed in any case! --Edelseider (talk) 07:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Hans Hammer

Hello,

Concerning the link between Hans and Friedrich Hammer, I know this source, but I don’t consider it reliable on this specific point, as it has many problems. It is rather vague and, at the contrary of some of their other affirmations, they don’t quote the origin of it. Besides, I’ve read nearly all the books they mention in the literature at the bottom of the page and none say that. More problematic, I have also read most of the research focused on Hans Hammer and I have neither come across this affirmation. It does mean that someone have eventually said that somewhere, but that the peers have preferred to not repeat it, implying they disagree, or at best that they are not convinced of this relation. As far as I know, the only descent that is widely accepted by researchers is Michel from his first wife Margreden ; Hans, Catharina and Anna, probably from an unknown second wife ; no child are known from his third marriage.

I think it would be better to stick on data with a scientific consensus, especially as this data is automatically relayed elsewhere (in Wikipedia infoboxes for example). We could still add it later if it finally gain more support from researchers : I monitor everything related to Hans Hammer and other late gothic architects, so if it appears in a paper in the future, there is high chances I will notice it. Runi Gerardsen (talk) 10:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Art catalogs versus books

Why do you feel an art catalog is not a book? Also, why is it important to specify that an art catalog is also a book? I understand merging a book with an exhibition and do this myself quite a bit, using instance of (P31) for two items, "art exhibition" and "art catalog". To additionally specify "book" seems excessive and also contradictory to the "art exhibition" part. Are you suggesting that in such cases there should always be at least two items for the book and for the exhibition? I don't see the added value for doing it this way. Jane023 (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jane023: It is not about my feelings. When I enter the identifier P212 "ISBN", I also have to enter a P31 "book". That's how Wikidata is configured! :) --Edelseider (talk) 15:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. I made art catalog into a publication and the constraint is gone. Jane023 (talk) 17:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jane023: You lost no time. Good, and thanks! --Edelseider (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Harassment of other users

You harassing other users like you did at User_talk:Jean-Frédéric#Un_problème_avec_InteGraalityBot is not acceptable behavior. You're not entitled to anything. Tools are provided as a best-effort service by volunteer service without absolutely no guaranties about the availability. Reporting possible bugs in a factual friendly manner is acceptable behavior, harassing other users because you feel entitled to a response within 24 hours is not. I expect you to never do this again (consider this your last warning) and it would show good character if you apologized to user:Jean-Frédéric. Multichill (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Multichill: I do not like the threatening tone that you are using. I am being useful here, and I do not like to be treated with contempt. I remember how there were problems with ListeriaBot and Magnus Manske did not reply to any of the messages where I signalled the problem. Don't you think people should acknowledge that I am doing something good by signalling problems, and maybe drop me a short message ("OK", or "got it" are enough) just to make sure that I know I am not acting in vain? Try to see things my way! Edelseider (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Edelseider: you are the one with an inapropriate attitude, please don't reverse the role and play victim when you are the bully.

I can try to see things you way: one unique page (which is sandbox and therefore should not be used or considered perfect anyway) is broken, you leave a message and less then 24 hours later, you leave an other message, a negative one this time (as you aknowledge yourself). At the very least you seem very impatient (most people don't connected everyday on Wikidata, especially people in wikislow), jumping to wrong conclusion (just because you didn't get an answer doesn't mean you've been ignored) and very demanding ("urgent") for something you have absolutely no entitlement to (yes people « should acknowledge » but it's not an obligation and certainly not in less than 24 hours). Couldn't you wait a bit more? and be more civil? On top of that, you left an even more agressive and nagtive third message with even less reasons. I agree with Multichill this « is not acceptable behavior ».

You may not want to apologize for your bad behaviour, fine. But at the very least, please stop and never do this kind of thing again or you will be blocked (this is not a threat at all but a simple and obvious prediction for the consequence of not repecting basic human interaction and Commons rules).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@VIGNERON:  OK

You see? Easy.

Tshaw, Edelseider (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Old datas

Hello,

The old data should not disappear,
just update it by adding a new value.

Sincerely. ―Eihel (talk) 08:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sum of all paintings

Hi, I saw your comments on this talk page. I know Sum of all Paintings is mostly Multichills bot playground, but I dabble as well. For example, I just got the 6,576 paintings you mentioned (and their painters too). I didn't create them here because of potential duplicates. Not sure if either have a property yet? If you have more information, or other large, scrapable collections, please let me know! --Magnus Manske (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh and you can confirm preliminary matches visually... --Magnus Manske (talk) 15:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Update: Found 640 artworks already in Wikidata, adding 864 other ones (not in Wikidata, at least with inventory number). --Magnus Manske (talk) 17:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Magnus Manske: I don't know how to thank you accordingly, let me just exclaim wow! and fantastic!

Those Navigart databases are numerous and they are all scrapable. For instance: Musée de Grenoble (Q1952944): 2,329 paintings; Musée des beaux-arts de Nantes (Q1783956): 2,867 paintings; Musée d'art moderne de la ville de Paris (Q857276): 2,160 paintings, etc. All the databases are listed here: https://www.videomuseum.fr/fr. Thank you so much, again! Edelseider (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I got ~9K from the Grenoble collection (no property I believe?) and ~25K from the Picasso collection. More tomorrow. --Magnus Manske (talk) 22:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Gerne auch auf Deutsch :-) --Magnus Manske (talk) 22:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: Die ~ 9 K aus Grenoble sind aber nicht bloß Gemälde (paintings, frz. peinture), sondern offenbar auch andere works of art (Zeichnungen, Skulpturen, Drucke...). Mit Picasso verhält es sich genauso. Er hat ja "nur" ca. 3.000 Gemälde hinterlassen, aber Unmengen von Zeichnungen und Drucken, dazu noch Keramik und Skulpturen, so kommt man auf die ~25 K. Mich beunruhigt das jetzt ein bisschen, weil das Projekt ja Sum of all paintings heißt und wir daher alles, was nicht als Gemälde betrachtet werden kann, ausschließen müssten. Das hast du ja beim Musée national d'art moderne https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/6397 wunderbar gemacht! Viele Grüße, Edelseider (talk) 07:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Ich habe mal Centre Pompidou geladen, >120K Kunstwerke, mit >6K Paintings. Wie in den anderen Katalogen sind die "Peintures" als painting (Q3305213) getagged, und da kannst Du auch filtern. SoaP hat nur Gemälde, aber ich lade lieber alles was ich bekommen kann, das kann man dann noch nach Bedarf "sub-setten". Vielleicht kommt ja mal Sum of all Sculptures oder so? Wenn das ein konkretes Problem macht, sag bitte Bescheid, vielleicht kann ich was bauen... Oh ich sammele diese Kataloge jetzt hier als "Navigart artist" bzw. "Navigart artwork". --Magnus Manske (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: Ich vertraue dir, du hast den Überblick. Eine Frage, die noch geklärt werden müsste, ist die der Überschneidung mit Commons - viele Bilder wurden ja von Navigart auf Commons hochgeladen, aber ohne einen Wikidata-Eintrag zu bekommen, z. B. [1] Ich bekenne mich schuldig, es macht manuell zu viel Arbeit. Erkennen deine Datenbanken, ob ein Navigart-Bild mit Navigart als Quelle bereits auf Commons existiert?

2025 werden übrigens die Maler Henri Matisse und André Derain gemeinfrei, das bedeutet 1000de von neuen Dateien auf Commons allein für diese beiden (dazu kommen noch mehrere andere Künstler). Edelseider (talk) 10:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Noch einer für Dich

http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/archives/738 Magnus Manske (talk) 15:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Du bist echt der Weihnachtsmann, @Magnus Manske! Und du leistest dem globalen Wissen einen unvorstellbar großen Dienst! Das Einzige, was du noch verbessern könntest, wäre, das schöne hawaiianische Wort manulau durch das englische Wort manual zu ersetzen. :) Edelseider (talk) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)