Wikidata:Property proposal/Derived
derivative work edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
| Description | Object is a notable work that is derived from subject |
|---|---|
| Represents | derivative work (Q836950) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | subject and object are works of human creativity |
| Example | |
| Planned use | Initial use in set of items for the pictures released under a GLAM initiative here Comparative Album of the City of São Paulo 1862-1887 (Q43484823); most of those pictures derived many iconic paintings in Brazilian historic paintings. |
| See also | based on (P144) |
- Motivation
As we have already the Property:P144, a property for "the work(s) used as basis for subject", I would like to propose the inverse one: a property for "the work(s) derived of this item/work". Sturm (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
Support. I think the name of this property should be "derivative work", as described by derivative work (Q836950). Deryck Chan (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)- Support David (talk) 07:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Could you express the case for having the inverse property? ChristianKl (✉) 18:48, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: I can imagine somebody wanting to make a magic infobox called "Notable derivative works" to be added to articles about a creative work. Trying to query the inverse would be incredibly computationally expensive; having this new property also allows Wikidata editors to use rank to curate what it considers important derivative works. Deryck Chan (talk) 12:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support I think the need to curate which works are notable enough to be listed justifies the separate property. ChristianKl (✉) 12:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: I can imagine somebody wanting to make a magic infobox called "Notable derivative works" to be added to articles about a creative work. Trying to query the inverse would be incredibly computationally expensive; having this new property also allows Wikidata editors to use rank to curate what it considers important derivative works. Deryck Chan (talk) 12:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support This would make finding derivative works a lot easier than looking through whatlinkshere / searching around the topic. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support It is the reciprocal property to P144. To some extent, it is no different than saying that an individual is the father of someone else, and that this someone else is the daughter of this individual. They are reciprocally bonded. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joalpe (talk • contribs).
Comment if it's meant to be an inverse, shouldn't be called the same? If it's to be limited to notable works, maybe "basis for notable works:"? Could the item for the building depicted in the painting have that too? (probably not, as "depicted by" could be sufficient"). For translation, I guess we already have a dedicated property as well. What happens to statements that use "inspired by"? Would this be an inverse for that too?
--- Jura 18:50, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Oppose. An inverse of based on (P144) adds nothing, and makes the data harder to maintain and less accurate. --Yair rand (talk) 00:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)- Support There can in theory have some very special cases where its value can't be just inversed. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: How so? --Yair rand (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
@Sturm, Deryck Chan, ChristianKl, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Mike Peel:@Joalpe, Jura1, Yair rand, Liuxinyu970226: 
Done Micru (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2018 (UTC)