Wikidata:Property proposal/Inaugural address

inaugural address

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	speech given during an inauguration ceremony
Represents	inaugural speech (Q10536399)
Data type	Item
Example 1	Nelson Mandela (Q8023) / position held (P39) /President of South Africa (Q273884) --> Nelson Mandela's inaugural address (Q19070822)
Example 2	Ronald Reagan First Gubernatorial Inaugural Address (Q19101646)
Example 3	Harry S. Truman (Q11613) / position held (P39) / President of the United States (Q11696) --> Harry S. Truman's Inaugural Address (Q3709935)
Example 4	Esaias Tegnér (Q366765) / position held (P39) / seat 8 of the Swedish Academy (Q96600338) --> Q97577959
Planned use	to connect positions with items of the speech
See also	significant event (P793) main subject (P921)

Motivation

To make Wikidata more complete this will make it possible to connect new position held with the the items of the speech Salgo60 (talk) 08:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 Comment interesting idea, but maybe it is possible to model the semantic message directly in the item of the speech: Nelson Mandela's inaugural address (Q19070822)significant event (P793)inauguration (Q1417098)of (P642)President of South Africa (Q273884) (or you even create an totally new and separate item for the specific inauguration - as every you like!) in combination with the already set speaker (P823)-statement you should be able to query all different combinations (where has spoken an address starting presidency of south africa or for which positions Nelson Mandela had given an inaugral address etc. --Mfchris84 (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks I have right now focus on Swedish Academy (Q207360) and the people having a position like seat 15 of the Swedish Academy (Q96600412) and then I felt the speech should be connected to the position but as you said maybe there are better models... don't hesitate to change the proposal - Salgo60 (talk) 10:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Apart from inagural addresses, I guess a few acceptance speeches could also have items, e.g. Barack Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech (Q21436489). Especially for US presidents I imagine there are speeches held on a wide variety of occasions. This model does indeed seem more flexible. Belteshassar (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

No, this makes no sense, significant event (P793) is meant to have the thing that had it as the significant event as the subject. For an inaugural speech (Q10536399) significant event (P793)inauguration (Q1417098) would be soo off. --CamelCaseNick (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

 Comment As shown by your examples, many people think of an inauguration as ascending to political office. But an inauguration can be any ceremony that installs a person to any position (often used in academia but could be any society). (It also doesn't have to be a person; there are inaugural programs or inaugural lectures - more typical of academia or societies). - Kosboot (talk) 15:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yes this seems like something that should be handled with existing properties, maybe significant event (P793) as suggested above. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @ArthurPSmith: I dont agree I do that today and its not scaling good enough and also feels odd see Q16633253#P793 I feel significant event (P793) is more a property used when nothing else works... not a good solution - Salgo60 (talk) 11:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

  In the example you just cited, it does not have the same form as your proposal. You can make changes to this Item to make it look like your property proposal, imho. —Eihel (talk) 07:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 Comment This is too specific. We would handle more cases if we changed the proposal to "gave address" with "inaugural" put in a qualifier. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 07:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

•  Oppose per above —Eihel (talk) 07:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Seems to lack consensus. JesseW (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)