Wikidata:Property proposal/Type of musical notation

type of musical notation edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: type of musical notation (P12041) (Talk and documentation)

Description	system of musical notation used on a given music source or composition
Represents	musical notation (Q233861)
Data type	Item
Domain	music (Q638), script style (Q118872183), sheet music (Q187947)
Example 1	P-Cua IV-3ª Gav. 44 (22) (Q118218553)type of musical notationneume (Q41867)
Example 2	Bogurodzica (Q890692)type of musical notationSlavonic musical notation (Q108519491)
Example 3	Chigi codex (Q744655)type of musical notationblack mensural notation (Q4991412)
Planned use	Adding to items for musical documents and/or compositions
See also	script style (P9302), sheet music (P3030), references work, tradition or theory (P8371)
Wikidata project	WikiProject Music (Q5830855)

Motivation edit

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I am currently working on using Wikidata to describe a series of digital objects, which are old musical manuscripts. One of the properties used to describe these objects in the original collection refers to the type/system of musical notation used on each source. I believe this can be used by others mapping or classifying music sources. There are currently 22 items listed as a subclass of musical notation. While this is closely related to P9302 (style of script) and P3030 (sheet music), this property differs from both as it describes the musical writing systems used on such documents or works. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by MariaCurista (talk • contribs) at 15:25, June 5, 2023‎ (UTC).

Discussion edit

Comment: The basic concept (notation system that a document uses) isn't inherently specific to music, so a general property could be preferable. For example, some technical specificationwritten using notationExtended Backus–Naur Form (Q1165219), or Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie [AdP 49, 769 (1916)] (Q56679686)written using notationEinstein notation (Q673253). That said, does it need to be a new property—could script style (P9302) simply be used?

– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 73.223.72.200 (talk • contribs) at 22:27, June 5, 2023‎ (UTC).

Courtesy ping @MariaCurista. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank @Kirilloparma. Ass other pointed out on the comments below, this is inherently specific to music, as musical notation systems differ from script style. I also agree with @Cholden86's remarks about this property being specific to musical manuscripts and other physical documents, instead of musical works. MariaCurista (talk) 09:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@73.223.72.200: Please take a look. Do you have any other questions? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, as far as I can see all issues have been resolved, I marked this proposal as ready. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support I've run into older musical notation styles recently, this does seem a useful property to have. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't think script style (P9302) would be valid since it seems to imply textual content. Musical notation is a distinctly different concept. Sheilatb (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this would be a useful property for musical manuscripts. However, I disagree that this property is applicable to Example 2, Bogurodzica (Q890692), because that item represents a musical work, not a physical exemplar of a piece of music (theoretically, one could notate this work in *any* musical notation). This property should only apply to musical manuscripts and specific publications, not the works in the abstract. (Also, some clean up might be needed; I'm not sure why some forms of musical notation are listed as a subclass of musical notation, while others are listed as instances of musical notation). Cholden86 (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MariaCurista, Kirilloparma, Cholden86, ArthurPSmith, Sheilatb:: Done: type of musical notation (P12041). Jonathan Groß (talk) 12:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I don't think Bogurodzica (Q890692) should be listed as a property example here, because that Wikidata item is a musical work, not a physical manuscript of notated music. Bogurodzica, as a musical work, could be notated in any kind of musical notation; it's not appropriate to state that a musical work has a specific type of musical notation. Cholden86 (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]