Wikidata:Property proposal/dramatised by

adapted by edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: adapted by (P5202) (Talk and documentation)

Description	person responsible for the arrangement or adaptation resulting in this version of the original work
Data type	Item
Template parameter	`\|BEA=` (Bearbeitung) in de:Vorlage:Infobox Hörspiel
Domain	human (Q5)
Example	De geweren van vrouw Carrar (Q2396000) -> Jef Last (Q2490381), Dutch radio play based on Señora Carrar's Rifles by Bertolt Brecht. Dramatised by Jef Last (Q2490381) Cello Sonata (Q17001145) -> Jules Delsart (Q4157270)
Source	HörDat (Q1644241), ARD-Hörspieldatenbank
Planned use	de:Portal:Hörfunk/Wikidata lists/Hörspiele
See also	screenwriter (P58) for films

Motivation

Needed for audio productions like radio drama (Q2635894). --Kolja21 (talk) 15:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

~~Oppose~~. Use screenwriter (P58), suitably relabelled. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Adding a second label would not be enough. screenwriter (P58) = subproperty of (P1647): film crew member (P3092).
- It is better not to mix different professions. For the same reason WD has for example lyrics by (P676). --Kolja21 (talk) 22:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Indeed it is. These are not different professions. The incorrect subclass needs to be fixed, clearly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think it's legitimate to have a distinct property for this. Is "dramatizer" a word that could be used as the label? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In German the profession is called "Bearbeiter" (like editor). The original works are not only novels but also for example theater plays that are already dramatized. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would like a description that goes into more detail about what it means to be a dramatizer. ChristianKl (✉) 00:12, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kolja21: do you still want to create this property? If so, can you answer ChristianKl's comment above? If not, please use |status=withdrawn − Pintoch (talk) 11:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can explain it in German. @ChristianKl: Bei vielen Hörspielen wird auf eine literarische Vorlage (z.B. ein Roman) zurückgegriffen. Als Autor wird in diesem Fall der Verfasser der Vorlage angegeben, während der Verfasser des Hörspiels als "Bearbeiter" vermerkt ist. Würde man den Bearbeiter mit einem Drehbuchautor gleichsetzen, müssten wir Hörspielautoren doppelt eintragen: Als "Autor" + "Drehbuchautor". Damit wäre sowohl das Importieren von Daten - ARD-Hörspieldatenbank (Q26810976), HörDat (Q1644241) -, wie auch die Darstellung in der Infobox Hörspiel problematisch. In der Vorlage wird daher bewusst zwischen den Parametern AUT und BEA unterschieden. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't ask for an explanation but for a description. What you wrote isn't a description that works for the property in German. "Bearbeiter eines Hörspiels" isn't a detailed description. We generally don't don't describe property by providing examples either. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kolja21, could we broaden the scope of this property to include any person that is responsible for a modified version of a work, e.g. also arrangers of a musical work? The German label would be quite fitting (even though I would use "Bearbeiter"), the English one might be changed to "adapted or arranged by". We could use a description like "person responsible for the arrangement or adaptation resulting in this version of a work". If one would need to clarify in what way somebody adapted a work one could qualify the statement using object has role (P3831). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Valentina.Anitnelav: For me this would be ok, but I have no knowledge of the music properties. Feel free to improve the proposal. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the broader scope (but maybe somebody could improve the English label - I'm not sure about it) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support I adjusted the English label to "adapted by" (was "original work modified by") - I think this is ready, Andy Mabbett do you have any further comments, do you still object? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem with this as redrafted, thanks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ArthurPSmith, Kolja21, Pintoch, Valentina.Anitnelav, ChristianKl, Pigsonthewing: Done: adapted by (P5202). − Pintoch (talk) 09:05, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]