Wikidata:Property proposal/dramaturg

dramaturge edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: dramaturge (P6086) (Talk and documentation)

Description	person responsible for dramaturgical aspects in a performing arts production
Represents	dramaturge (Q487596)
Data type	Item
Domain	performing arts production (Q43099500)
Example 1	Built to Last (Q57506345) -> Bart Van den Eynde (Q52189833) (described at http://data.kunsten.be/productions/built-to-last--4
Example 2	Q57511532 -> Klaas Tindemans (Q53453773) (described at http://data.kunsten.be/productions/van-de-brug-af-gezien-5--3)
Example 3	Q57511397 -> Peter Anthonissen (Q52182872) (described at http://data.kunsten.be/productions/tape-voor-kleuters--4)
Planned use	The property will be used to publish data from on performing arts productions described in the Flanders Arts Institute database at http://data.kunsten.be

Motivation edit

The property complements the Wikdiata data model in the area of the performing arts. The intended use as described above fits within the initiative Wikidata:WikiProject_Performing_arts/Data_sources. Working on the Swiss data, Beat Estermann managed to map most of the database elements. Thanks to this project, some missing properties have been added to Wikidata, which are now used as well to get the Flanders Arts Institute data on Wikidata. The dramaturge property is a very specific one that is not available today, despite the large number of occurences (+3500) of this function related to performing arts productions in the Flanders Arts Institute dataset and no doubt as well in other performing arts databases all over the world.

Discussion edit

Support Oliviervd (talk) 18:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I wonder what the definition of "dramaturge" would be, as two of the examples provided do not have an entry for "stage director". Is it possible that in some cases, the term "dramaturgie" refers to the "stage director"? (The third example, in contrast, has both "dramaturgie" and "regie".) --Beat Estermann (talk) 22:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Beat Estermann, the Wikidata record for Dramaturge states that it's not the same as stage director. We were looking for a way to use Dramaturge as a qualifier using "object has role" but we didn't manage to find a Property that would fit this qualifier..
"dramaturge" and "stage director" are indeed different things. It's right that not every production has a stage director. The first example hasn't got a stage director because it is a dance piece, where a choreographer is involved instead of a stage director. The second example is performed by a collective. Their productions are collective creations for which they don't work the "classical" way with a director, but they do work with a dramaturge. The best definition (in Dutch) of dramaturgy that I could find is this one by the Dutch Theatre Encyclopedia. Beireke1 (talk) 09:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see. I hadn't looked into them that closely. --Beat Estermann (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support David (talk) 07:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alina data (talk) 08:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Beat Estermann (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure. Perhaps film crew member (P3092) should be extended for performing arts productions? I don't think we should have a separate property for every type of individual who could work on one of these things. --Yair rand (talk) 02:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We already do have stage crew member (P5802) for that purpose. The "Dramaturge" is not really part of the technical crew and would therefore deserve a property of its own. --Beat Estermann (talk) 08:49, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Beat Estermann, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Oliviervd, Beireke1, Alina data, Yair rand: Done: dramaturge (P6086). − Pintoch (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]