Wikidata:Property proposal/excerpt

quotation or excerpt edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: quotation or excerpt (P7081) (Talk and documentation)

Description	quotation or excerpt from this work
Data type	Monolingual text
Domain	creative work (Q17537576)

Motivation edit

We have first line (P1922) and last line (P3132), but it's not possible to add quotes for anything else (in particular things that are only one line long). Qualifiers like page(s) (P304) and time index (P4895) would probably be used for indicating the point within the work that the quotation begins. In addition to use for statements, this would be useful as a qualifier for statements relating between works, like samples from work (P5707). Jc86035 (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support David (talk) 06:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It seems to me like this might be better handled by using/creating a Wikiquote entry for the quote you want, then linking to that item. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith: Quotes on Wikiquote don't get their own pages, as far as I'm aware – they're usually associated with the person or work that originated them. Jc86035 (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have you thought about the copyright implications? How do you plan to prevent such problems from arising? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ChristianKl: The 400-character limit for strings should suffice for now; perhaps a complex constraint would be required for items with more than about 4 statements for this property, and statements with more than one qualifier for this property. If it's fine for Wikisource to host massive amounts of copyrighted quotes from TV shows and the like, the implication is that there's nothing wrong with the same thing being done here (and CC-0 probably wouldn't make a difference to that here). Jc86035 (talk) 15:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is fine for Wikiquote only because that project allows non-free content that is used under fair use (see here, though that is not official policy). I do not believe Wikidata is ready to do so itself. Having said that, I am still supporting this proposal below, as I don't believe the fact that someone could use a given field to add copyrighted information is a reason not to have the property at all. There are plenty of valid use cases for public domain works, so I think the solution should be policing Wikidata's content for policy violations, not preventing this property. Also, I would note the existence of quotation (P1683), which already allows quotations on Wikidata (but that property is specifically for use in references). Dominic (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though I think this raises other issues. How should we distinguish between a true excerpt and when a full work is short enough to be included in its entirety (e.g. a short poem, short speech, etc.). These are conceptually different, and we would not want to misrepresent a full work as incomplete. For example, I just checked and the entire Gettysburg Address can fit in a single statement (the character limit is now 1500, not 400). And I would note that we already have an inscription (P1684) property, which is essentially a full-text quotation of a very specific type of work. I also think enabling quotations from works implies we should have an equivalent, but separate, property for adding quotations of people or things, since the data is usually given in that context as well. I think there should be three separate properties in total: "excerpt (of work)," "quotation (of person)," "full text/transcript". Dominic (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Including a short poem in its entirety will violate copyright. You can't simply copy a poem just because it's short without violating existing copyright. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 17:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChristianKl: We already have P5482 (P5482), which could easily be used to violate copyright laws. That it would be possible doesn't mean the solution is to not have the property. Jc86035 (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Christian, that is not how copyright works. Some poems are copyrighted and some are out of copyright, such as being public domain due to age. Dominic (talk) 15:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This should wait for structured Wikiquote. --Yair rand (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Yair rand: Why? Lexemes didn't wait for structured Wiktionary. A structured Wikiquote would, in any case, probably require much more software development for Wikiquote than for Wikidata, seeing as all that's required on the Wikidata end is one property and imports, and we could make the property now; whereas structured Wikiquote would require a lot of interface changes to avoid massively disrupting Wikiquote contributors' workflows. Jc86035 (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support the "structured Wikiquote" which Yair rand mentioned is α. irrelevant; β. unlikely to be happened due to Meta-Wiki technical concerns; and γ. no logical conflictions to any property bases. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Dominic, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Liuxinyu970226, Jc86035: @Yair rand: Done: quotation or excerpt (P7081). − Pintoch (talk) 21:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]