Wikidata:Property proposal/growth rate

‎growth rate

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science

   Not done

Description	growth rate of something over time
Represents	growth rate (Q128214470)
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	"growth rate" in en:template:infobox taxon
Domain	property, entity (Q35120), taxon (Q16521), creature (Q1274979)
Allowed values	taxon (Q16521) creature (Q1274979)
Example 1	Common Loon (Q190342)growth rate1inch per yearrelative to (P2210)length (Q36253)applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)juvenile (Q1516282)
Example 2	Sahara (Q6583)growth rateXX sq. acres per centurytime period (P2348)Miocene (Q76267)
Example 3	Iceberg B-15 (Q738556)growth rateXX sq. kilometers per yeartime period (P2348)1800s (Q39577)
Planned use	Add growth rates to a variety of items that do not have a specific type of growth rate property already
Wikidata project	WikiProject Biology (Q6723002)WikiProject Plants (Q10823481)

Motivation

This would be aimed at taxon but could apply to other things as well.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by AHIOH (talk • contribs) at 02:59, August 1, 2024‎ (UTC).

Discussion

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Notified participants of WikiProject Biology Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment I see we have real GDP growth rate (P2219) and I guess it would make sense to have a more generic version. However I'm dubious about this proposed application - living things don't grow at a uniform rate over time, generally? And for example for plants I would expect it to be hugely environment-dependent. So - we could use a generic property like this I think, but I'd like to see more realistic examples of how it would be used. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, the real GDP growth rate (P2219) as other types of growth rate could potentially be a sub-property of this if it were generalized. This would also reduce the need to create new properties related to growth rate for each aspect of every subject.

Regarding the rate of growth for living things, there appears to be multiple metrics/methods used. One common method that appears to be used is Relative growth rate (Q7310793) however this doesn't appear to be inclusive of all the common ways of relating the growth rate of something.

As you mentioned there are a variety of factors that go into the what the growth rate entails. These would likely be refined using qualifiers such as valid in place (P3005) environment (Q2249676), point in time (Q186408), etc

This could be used for both documented cases of growth over a period of time as well as expected rates based on statistical models.

As far as the implementation it would likely be good to require references and possibly determination method or standard (P459). Rather than define this as an average it might be good to require a nature of statement (P5102) or similar.

This proposal was originally aimed at growth rates of taxon, however for this proposal I think it's better to focus on the generalized growth rate property which could be used in the interim for a variety of use cases rather than limiting to creatures, taxon, etc. I think a separate proposal for "Taxon growth rate", "Plant growth rate", "Animal Growth Rate", and other sub-properties could then be created in cases where there are a common or limiting set of factors that apply. Thanks for the input! AHIOH (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

 Comment I agree there is some value there, but IMO it needs some more work. I'd say a constraint for sources would make statements reliable enough. And for the label, I guess "average growth rate" would be more precise given the examples. TiagoLubiana (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Not done, no support for creation. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 19:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)