Wikidata:Property proposal/non-self-identified name

‎non-self-identified name

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: non-self-identified name (P12090) (Talk and documentation)

Description	name used to identify a group of humans against their self-determination, e.g. in colonial contexts
Data type	Monolingual text
Domain	item, group of humans (Q16334295)
Example 1	San people (Q172365) → (en) "Bushmen"
Example 2	Berber (Q45315) → (en) "Berber"
Example 3	Sámi people (Q48199) → (en) "Laplanders"
Planned use	decolonization
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
See also	subproperty of Property:P2561, complementary proposal self-identified name
Wikidata project	Project:Make Wikipedia blacker (Q63870968)
Proposed by	Birk Weiberg (talk)

Motivation

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (2007), article 13 forsees the right of indigenous peoples to "designate and retain their own names for communities, places and persons."

Currently, there is no way in Wikidata to distinguish between the historical, often racist, names and the names choosen by the groups themselves. Both names are randomly used as labels or in "also known as". The new property would clarify this. This includes keeping the historically incorrect names as an additional property. Having both names also helps heritage institutions decolonize their databases and makes this process more accessible to indigenous communities.

Discussion

Support Much needed in order to be more ethic in the management of data related to populations, human beings. Galahmm (talk) 10:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Wygs (talk) 10:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Also needed to follow UN recommendations.--Flor WMCH (talk) 10:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 12:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've changed the domain from ethnic group (Q41710) to group of humans (Q16334295) to include more classes the property would be useful for. Birk Weiberg (talk) 19:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is important and useful. Maybe another example useful to understand the issue is the term "gypsy": non-self-identified name used instead of Rom, Sinti and Jenisch (self-identified name). --iopensa (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Currently, there is no way in Wikidata to distinguish between the historical, often racist, names and the names choosen by the groups themselves" This is not correct. This is exactly what the qualifiers subject has role (P2868) and object of statement has role (P3831) are for. /ℇsquilo 07:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ Kirilloparma: I guess you revoked the ready status because I didn't respond to this argument. There is a discussion on properties vs. qualifiers at the complementary proposal self-identified name. Sorry, should have referred to it earlier. -- Birk Weiberg (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Birk Weiberg: Yes, before property creation occurs, all opposing votes must be solved. If the participant Esquilo who opposed will not have any further objections, the ready status can be restored within a couple of days. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Loleg (talk) 13:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Birk Weiberg, Galahmm, Flor WMCH, Wygs, Jahl de Vautban, Iopensa: Done non-self-identified name (P12090) as well as the complementary ‎self-identified name (P12089). Jonathan Groß (talk) 15:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]