Wikidata:Property proposal/religious community

religious community

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Not done

Description	religious community that this person attend or belong to
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Denis Malvy (Q28152059) → Monastery of the Theotokos and St. Martin (Q5033561)
Example 2	Gabriel Matzneff (Q3093872) → Q3365699
Example 3	Jérôme Rousse-Lacordaire (Q3191045) → Couvent de l'Annonciation de Paris (Q64843702)
See also	religion or worldview (P140): religion of a person, organization or religious building, or associated with this subject religious order (P611): order of monks or nuns to which an individual or religious house belongs member of (P463): organization, club or musical group to which the subject belongs. Do not use for membership in ethnic or social groups, nor for holding a political position, such as a member of parliament (use P39 for that)

Notified participants of WikiProject Religions. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Discussion

Strong support for some reason, I thought that it already existed! --Epìdosis 16:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I’m not convinced member of (P463) is not enough. It’s also not really clear if it does not apply to buildings owned by a religious community. author TomT0m / talk page 17:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Epìdosis: as a specialist of religion-related properties, any answer perhaps? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:18, 17 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]
My impression, given the examples above, is that member of (P463) could not have a building as value, while the examples for these property are typically buildings; I would probably rephrase the label of this property in "place of religious residence" or something similar (there is an overlapping also with residence (P551), I think). And we need more opinions from other users. --Epìdosis 09:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Epìdosis: hm, not really. A parish is not a place but an organization (but it is located in a church, which is a building). Convents and monasteries (and likes) are both, but what is interesting there is the affiliation, not the residence, IMHO. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Right. Maybe then member of (P463) could suffice; @Nomen ad hoc: do you think an apposite property would have advantages in comparison with using existent P463? --Epìdosis 08:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Should be allowed in coherence with religious order (P611). If created, religious order (P611) should become a subproperty of it, given that religious order (Q2061186) is subclass of religious community (Q2742167). Here are statements that use member of (P463) now : [1] Louperivois (talk) 03:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Louperivois: not hugely convinced. Generally it is more the community to depend of an order than the contrary, isn't it? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Weak oppose — Per @TomT0m. We already have properties to link an item to organizations or built structures. This is only a specific case for general concepts, especially since nowadays organizations can carry out activities beyond the religious domain. — Baidax ^💬 16:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nomen ad hoc, Epìdosis, TomT0m, Louperivois, Baidax: Not done —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]