Wikidata:Property proposal/synonym

synonym edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Done: synonym (P5973) (Talk and documentation)

Description	sense of another lexeme with the same meaning as this sense, in the same language
Represents	synonym (Q42106)
Data type	Sense
Domain	Sense
Example	buy (L3873)-S1 → purchase (L5900) (e.g. sense 1) pomme de terre (fr) → patate (fr) (e.g. sense 2)
See also	taxon synonym (P1420) Wikidata:Property proposal/antonym

Motivation

I think that it is possible to put a symmetric constraint (Q21510862) and maybe a new type of constraint: same language constraint. Tubezlob (🙋) 18:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about the symmetric constraint. --Denny (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure about it: two words A and B that are synonyms have the same meaning, so if A is a synonym of B, B is also a synonym of A. The concept of synonym is bijective (A ⇔ B), not only injective (A ⇒ B). Tubezlob (🙋) 18:40, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment I think it is incorrect to use the data type "lexeme" for this. It should be "sense" because actually the sense is the part that can have synonyms, not the lexeme. I have updated the proposal to reflect this. Additionally we might need another property to link senses with concepts ("equivalent concept"?).--Micru (talk) 07:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Micru: Ok it seems better. For the new property, you mean for example "dog" → dog (Q144)? Tubezlob (🙋) 07:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tubezlob: Not only that, but "dog"[lexeme] will have several senses: dog-sense-1, dog-sense-2, dog-sense-3... so we have to link the right sense with its concept. In this case I suppose dog-sense-1 (domestic animal) → dog (Q144).--Micru (talk) 07:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Do we want to be specific about how exact synonymity must be? I guess not, we just take whatever is available in the sources, I assume. What we wouldn't allow though, I guess, is to mark two Senses of the same Lexeme as synonymous? Also, synonymity must be within a language, I assume? --Denny (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with your constraints proposals. There is also the concept of "quasi-synonym" (it exists in the French Wiktionary): two quasi-synonyms are words that are not interchangeable with other words in all situations (I can't find an example in English, but in French there are for example "volontaire" and "bénévole". Tubezlob (🙋) 12:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support NMaia (talk) 22:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support John Samuel 19:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tubezlob, Denny, Micru, YULdigitalpreservation, NMaia, Jsamwrites: Done --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tobias1984: Looks like this was premature. The datatype "sense" isn't available yet.
--- Jura 16:46, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jura1: Sorry about that. I was just looking at the examples and overread the other other datatype. --18:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- no problem. It hadn't occurred to me either that they'd start the dictionary without senses ;)
  --- Jura 19:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Duesentrieb (talk) 12:02, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The English description seems wrong with "meaning as the lexeme". It should be the sense instead. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Updated the description. Please check.
  --- Jura 13:09, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 20:54, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support KaMan (talk) 03:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Cwf97 (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done --- Jura 12:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Tubezlob, Denny, YULdigitalpreservation, NMaia, Jsamwrites: @Duesentrieb, Fnielsen, KaMan, Cwf97: after some hickups yesterday, the property you proposed/supported seems now functional. Please make good use of it. If there are any issues, please report them at Wikidata_talk:Lexicographical_data#Senses_are_now_part_of_Lexicographical_Data. @Tobias1984: fyi. --- Jura 11:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]