Wikidata:Property proposal/thesis submitted for

‎thesis submitted for

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Description	academic degree for which a thesis or dissertation is submitted
Data type	Item
Domain	item, thesis (Q1266946)
Allowed values	academic degree (Q189533)
Example 1	A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud (Q28971627)→Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297)
Example 2	L'Église et les clercs face aux béguines et aux béghards du Rhin supérieur du XIVe siècle au XVe siècle (Q43257720)→doctorate in History (Q27639256)
Example 3	On stochastic processes (Q113686414)→Doctor of Science (Q2248352)
Example 4	French Books in Early Australian Public and Private Collections (Q116950303)→Master of Arts (Q2091008)
Example 5	Flight Speeds and Energetics of Seven Bird Species (Q76550143)→Master of Science (Q950900)
Example 6	Some aspects of early castle building in Scotland (Q105097652)→Master of Philosophy (Q1527520)
See also	thesis submitted to (P4101), academic degree (P512), grants (P5460)

Motivation

Academic thesis is written and submitted to obtain an academic degree, but the property describing this relationship is lacking. Some people try to represent this relationship (see [1]) using academic degree (P512), main subject (P921), or even instance of (P31):

• academic degree (P512): this describes academic degree that the person holds, and expanding the domain to thesis is bad idea in my opinion.
• main subject (P921): degree is a goal or purpose, not a topic or subject of thesis.
• instance of (P31): thesis itself is not a degree.

Another way is using a subclass of thesis (Q1266946) for each kind of academic degree (Q189533) (see [2]); however, there is no way connecting such subclass and degree item. So it is desirable to create a new property. --Mzaki (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

 Comment Another way to link this is via the item for the thesis writer, where you could have a educated at (P69) statement qualified by academic degree (P512) and academic thesis (P1026). Here's a query with examples of this. Some of the results seem odd, presumably errors in data entry somewhere. But I'm not sure a new property is necessary here since it's already being done another way? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• When we describe someone's thesis, there are at least 3 elements: human (Q5) instance, thesis (Q1266946) instance, and academic degree (Q189533) subclass. We could have the following relationships, and I propose the last one:
  1. human (Q5)academic thesis (P1026)thesis (Q1266946) (possibly 1:n), and, in reverse, thesis (Q1266946)author (P50)human (Q5) (ideally 1:1 but might be 1:n)
  2. human (Q5)academic degree (P512)academic degree (Q189533) (possibly 1:n)
  3. thesis (Q1266946)→academic degree (Q189533) (ideally 1:1 but might be 1:n)
• The relationship 3 is an intrinsic property of thesis (Q1266946), independent of the fact that the author holds the degree. Imagine that a submitted but failed thesis (I think failed thesis usually does not satisfy WD:N criteria, but there could be exceptional cases).
• From a practical viewpoint, WikiData data model for the relationships 1 & 2 is not firmly established. One can describe it, as shown by @ArthurPSmith, in human (Q5)educated at (P69)higher education institution (Q38723)academic degree (P512)academic degree (Q189533)academic thesis (P1026)thesis (Q1266946), which works well for course-based degree. But sometimes there are degrees granted to non-student who submits a thesis (frequent in Japan, for example). In such cases, we can describe it human (Q5)academic degree (P512)academic degree (Q189533)academic thesis (P1026)thesis (Q1266946)conferred by (P1027)higher education institution (Q38723). Also one can describe these as direct relationships like human (Q5)academic degree (P512)academic degree (Q189533) & human (Q5)academic thesis (P1026)thesis (Q1266946). So inferring the relationship 3 from 1 & 2 is not a trivial task, especially for person holds multiple degrees. On the contrary, introducing a new property for the relationship 3 is quite straightforward, since it is an intrinsic property of thesis (Q1266946).

Mzaki (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)