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Descriptionacademic degree for which a thesis or dissertation is submitted
Data typeItem
Domainitem, thesis (Q1266946)
Allowed valuesacademic degree (Q189533)
Example 1A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud (Q28971627)→Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297)
Example 2L'Église et les clercs face aux béguines et aux béghards du Rhin supérieur du XIVe siècle au XVe siècle (Q43257720)→doctorate in History (Q27639256)
Example 3On stochastic processes (Q113686414)→Doctor of Science (Q2248352)
Example 4French Books in Early Australian Public and Private Collections (Q116950303)→Master of Arts (Q2091008)
Example 5Flight Speeds and Energetics of Seven Bird Species (Q76550143)→Master of Science (Q950900)
Example 6Some aspects of early castle building in Scotland (Q105097652)→Master of Philosophy (Q1527520)
See alsothesis submitted to (P4101), academic degree (P512), grants (P5460)

Motivation

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Academic thesis is written and submitted to obtain an academic degree, but the property describing this relationship is lacking. Some people try to represent this relationship (see [1]) using academic degree (P512), main subject (P921), or even instance of (P31):

Another way is using a subclass of thesis (Q1266946) for each kind of academic degree (Q189533) (see [2]); however, there is no way connecting such subclass and degree item. So it is desirable to create a new property. --Mzaki (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion

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  Comment Another way to link this is via the item for the thesis writer, where you could have a educated at (P69) statement qualified by academic degree (P512) and academic thesis (P1026). Here's a query with examples of this. Some of the results seem odd, presumably errors in data entry somewhere. But I'm not sure a new property is necessary here since it's already being done another way? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mzaki (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment We created an application profile for our theses and dissertations: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/University_of_Washington/Application_Profiles/Dissertations_and_Theses. We use instance of (P31) = written work (Q47461344) (or other appropriate class such as sheet music sheet music (Q187947)), and either doctoral thesis (Q187685) or master's thesis (Q1907875). However, this doesn't specify the specific degree such as Ph.D., Ed.D., D.Mus., etc. The specific degree is given in the graduate student's item who wrote the thesis. AdamSeattle (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean a thesis is not bound to specific degree at the time of submission in your system, and the committee or the institution decide which degree should be granted to the thesis author, so students cannot expect either Ph.D or D.Mus would be granted before the decision? In my country, almost all thesis is submitted for obtaining specific degree, since there are different standards for granting different degree and students write their thesis to satisfy the standard for specific degree, that means a thesis is bound to specific degree at the time of submission. That's why I need new wikidata property for describing such intrinsic property of thesis (Q1266946), as I explained above. Mzaki (talk) 15:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't mean that. The thesis is certainly submitted for a particular degree, known in advance. What I meant was that we associate the degree with the person in their item and in the thesis item we can only state that it is an instance of a master's thesis or doctoral thesis. I agree that there is no current way to say which specific degree a thesis was submitted for (M.A., M.S., Ph.D., Ed.D., etc.). If accepted your proposal would provide the means to do that, although perhaps it's a bit redundant with the information in the person item. But if your proposal is approved, we would probably add it to our application profile to use in our thesis items. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clarification. As for the redundancy, I think we have to tolerate it, because the relationships among human (Q5), thesis (Q1266946), academic degree (Q189533), and higher education institution (Q38723) is not so simple as we instantly imagine. There are thesis-based and non-thesis-based degrees. Both students and non-students are granted thesis-based degrees. There are accepted and failed theses. We need a set of properties sufficient to capture these diverse relationships, which may seem redundant in simpler cases. Mzaki (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another comment for the redundancy. We already have thesis (Q1266946)thesis submitted to (P4101)higher education institution (Q38723), although this relationship could, possibly, be inferred via the person item using educated at (P69) or conferred by (P1027) for simpler cases. But this is not an easy task, as similar in the case of thesis (Q1266946)→academic degree (Q189533). My proposal is in line with the introduction of thesis submitted to (P4101), and I think the redundancy claimed is an acceptable price to pay for the practical benefits, as in the case of thesis submitted to (P4101). Mzaki (talk) 02:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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