Property talk:P1345

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number of victims of killer
people killed by the subject, both legal and illegal

Description	put English description for property here, e.g. same as in the infobox documentation
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	"victims" in en:template:infobox criminal
Domain	Serial killers (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	0 ≤ 𝓧 ≤ 1,000,000
Allowed units	not applicable
Example	Éric Borel (Q473870) → 15 Jack the Ripper (Q43963) → 5
Source	Strong sourcing is needed. (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Robot and gadget jobs	Bots should only be used with great care, if at all.
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1345 (Q23909114)
See also	number of deaths (P1120), number of casualties (P1590), number of injured (P1339)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Minimum and maximum Items with highest numeric value Items with lowest numeric value Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 User:Laboramus/Units/P1345 (Units used) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1345 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 498 Main statement 491 98.6% of uses Qualifier 7 1.4% of uses

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Units: “novalue”: value unit must be one of listed. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#Units, hourly updated report

Integer: values should be integers (ie. they shouldn't have a fractional part) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#integer, SPARQL

Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#citation needed, hourly updated report

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#Item P31

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#Scope, SPARQL

Range from “0” to “1000000”: values should be in the range from “0” to “1000000”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1345#Range

P1120, P1339, P1561, P1345

Wouldn't it be better to use number of deaths (P1120), number of injured (P1339) and number of survivors (P1561) instead of number of victims of killer (P1345)? Then we would additionaly know if the victims are dead, injured or suvervied. --Pasleim (talk) 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• If or when we know? --- Jura 11:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
• Actually, it seems to mean they were killed.

More recent discussion at Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2016/02#number_of_deaths_.28P1120.29_and_number_of_victims_.28P1345.29.
--- Jura 18:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Snipers and other warriors

What about them? Should we use P1345 or number of deaths (P1120)? Temporarily I am adding P1120. --Infovarius (talk) 23:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I just used number of victims of killer (P1345) for an executioner (Johann Reichhart (Q65923)) and came here looking for better answers. The (English) label number of deaths (P1120) does seem to be a better fit. But structurally, the relation of an executioner/homepathic oncologist/fighter pilot to their subjects is much closer to that of a serial killer to their victims than that of an event.

Using one property for homicides both legal and illegal will also spare us the debates over the legality of these acts. That Nazi executioner, for example, killed more than 3,000 people and never stood trial. So he is innocent, officially. But, crucially, not in the way you or I are innocent. Splitting homicides across two properties would put us in the awkward situation of assessing such cases.

I would suggest labelling this property more broadly. Or, alternatively, maybe merging the two outright? --Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

number of deaths (P1120) is used for events now, so I'd propose to broaden this property. --Infovarius (talk) 23:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)