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--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Soccer statsEdit

Hello! I noticed that you are adding detailed statistics for some players, but I think that the first thing to discuss is how to do it in the best way. I think we should specify end time (P582) for current teams with no value, not with unknown value[1]. Further, I believe that statistics should be completely removed from member of sports team (P54) qualifiers since there it is impossible to indicate which tournaments are taken into account and on what date the statistics are checked. Look at the Carlos Strandberg (Q15534391) where participant of (P1344) with 2015–16 Russian Premier League (Q19915706) has two teams and two number of matches. It's wrong and useless. Did you read this discussion this discussion? Now we are able to specify statistics (matches, goals, etc.) as separate properties. Look at Carlos Strandberg (Q15534391) career statistics of the Russian Super Cup (Q290424). I believe that in the same way we can fill in not only career indicators, but also seasonal. I believe that LesserJerome (talkcontribslogs) agrees with me. Then we must agree on how to store and update these statistics most optimally and with minimal duplication. We need to first discuss this with Wikidata:WikiProject Sport results and Wikidata:WikiProject Association football. For the purpose of the infobox and the detailed table, we need to have a separate number of Carlos Strandberg (Q15534391) goals for both the Ural and CSKA in 2015–16 Russian Premier League (Q19915706), but at the same time we need the total number of goals in 2015–16 Russian Premier League (Q19915706) to be able to sort the best scorers without three Strandbergs. Accordingly, it is necessary to agree on how to distinguish the total statistics for the season from statistics that do not coincide with it with specific clubs in a season. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 18:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


I actually have a query built that finds the cases where the multiple entries are getting created which allows them to be quickly found and fixed. It is unfortunate that the QuickStatements loads multiple lines into the same property and not as separate ones. Unless you are going to remove or duplicate all the international tournaments, I'm not sure that separating club data from international data which is in the 'Participant of' is a great approach. I'd also be interested in knowing how to not duplicate data between 'Member of sports team' and the 'participant of' and the 'number of matches/played' etc. Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by 'Accordingly, it is necessary to agree on how to distinguish the total statistics for the season from statistics that do not coincide with it with specific clubs in a season'
It is better not to use end time (P582) at all in cases of current teams as we do not use date of death (P570) for living people. And we must be able to differ the number of all player goals for a season from the number of player goals for one of several clubs that he changed for the season. Statistics should keep in separate properties like total goals in career (P6509) for the following reasons:
  • Duplication participant of (P1344) with 2015–16 Russian Premier League (Q19915706) for every team is wrong.
  • Different sources may have different numbers of goals in one tournament for one player, we must be able to make two different statements with different sources and rangs.
  • It should be possible to update only the number of matches, without changing the check date for the number of goals or yellow cards, since the different data may not be available at the same time.
Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 19:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you please take one player, for instance Strandberg, and show how you think season statistics should be entered, it would make understanding what you are writing much easier.

I did it for matches. Using of applies to part (P518) is an option for discussion but we should to find a way to have independent Strandberg's stats for Ural and CSKA at this season. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 19:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you please start a thread here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Association_football, it seems a better way to do this. i would agree that P518 is not a great choice, I think P1344 is a better choice, teams are not really 'part' of a season.

We already have start of this discussion - Wikidata talk:WikiProject Association football#Data for automatic infoboxes. Ok, I will try to continue it there. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 20:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

SourcesEdit

Please use stated in (P248)Transfermarkt (Q2449070) instead of reference URL (P854)[2]. We already have a link to profile at Transfermarkt player ID (P2446), multiple duplication of URLs is not required. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 20:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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