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Can you translate and upload simple:National Archive Department of Azerbaijan, en:National Library of Azerbaijan (which is the national archive repository) and « Category:Archives in Azerbaijan » (Q22029602) in Welsh Wikipedia for these two articles?
They should not be long.
Please note that if you've already stated that Brampton (Q611732) is in Long Marton (Q1869407) you don't also need to state that its in Eden (Q301637) since Long Marton (Q1869407) already states its in Eden (Q301637), thanks. Lucywood (talk) 08:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Lucywood:@Llywelyn2000: There are entirely practical reasons for doing this. (This kind of thing happens on lots of other pages too, of course.) Wikidata is now used to generate the data for infoboxes for place articles on Cywiki. On Enwiki the data in the equivalent infoboxes (for English places at any rate) is still entered on the individual article page. (Cywiki used to do this too, and I imagine that in the long run Enwiki will want to make the move to Wikidata-generated content.) Enwiki articles for English placenames have infoboxes that list both civil parish (where there is one) and the surrounding local authority area. Both pieces of information are relevant, particularly because of the overlapping functions of the different levels of local authority in England, which are unpredictable and do not form an orderly hierarchy. (I.e. with all the mess of unitary authorities, non-metropolitan areas, parished and unparished areas and what have you.) I want to be able to give the same key information in the Cywiki infoboxes about civil parishes and local authorities that are shown in the Enwiki boxes.
- Now I'm as keen on neat hierarchies as the next Wikipedian, but since the "located in the administrative territorial entity" statement allows multiple fields, it seems reasonable to me to enter both civil parish and local authority information in that statement. (It wasn't me that started this, by the way. I was simply following a pattern I'd found on other Wikidata pages.) Do you know if there a way of including this sort of information within the present structure of Wikidata pages that would allow me to get it onto the Cywiki pages? Otherwise what I've been doing seems like a practical and useful solution. Craigysgafn (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- The infoboxes on Cywiki could surely be modified to work the P131 as a chain so that it knows that X being in a parish also means it knows that X hamlet is in X parish's district and so on, the Wikidata Infoboxes already do this, otherwise we would need to add every hierarchy that a place is in. P131 does specifically state "You only need to add the most local admin territory, but check that item also has a P131, with the next level, and so on." so I would suggest its the infoboxes at Cy that need modifying. Lucywood (talk) 11:14, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Diolch! I'll take a look at the WD Infoboxes, as I'm sure it's possible; could be a week or so. Do note that a parish, community councils (Wales) or even many town councils are not administrating bodies (other than dog fouling etc); I'd say that the county borough / council level = admin territory. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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Henffych gyfaill! Paid a gofyn i mi ymhle, ond mae located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) - yng ngwledydd Prydain - yn gofyn am y sir / awdurdod unedol gan mai hwnnw yw'r llywodraeth leol. Mewn gwledydd eraill fe all fod yn dref neu bentref hyd yn oed. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Llywelyn2000: Ni ddylai P131 fynd i lawr i'r lefel y gymuned, felly? A dyma finnau'n gwneud cawlach o'r pentrefi Cymru? Os yw hynny'n wir, sori: mi af i yn ôl a thrwsio'r gwybodlenni dan sylw. Yn Lloegr, mae P131 yn mynd i lawr i'r plwyf sifil, ac roeddwn i'n ceisio dilyn yr un patrwm ar gyfer Cymru. Rwy'n hoffi cadw pethau'n dwt ac yn (gymharol) gyson. Ond dyw hyn ddim yn fater rwyf am frwydro drosto. Hwyl! Craigysgafn (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Craigysgafn: Ymddiheuriadau! Ond wele fi! Mae gennym ni location (P276) ar gyfer y dre agosa, ac mae located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) ar gyfer y Sir, gan fod honno'n gweinyddu llawer mwy na thref neu blwyf neu bentref. Ro'n i am son am un o brif bethau a weinydir gan fy nghyngor tref lleol, sef cachu ci, ond gwell peidio! Mae na sawl sgwrs am ddefnyddio sir yng Nghymru wedi bod ond dwn i ddim ymhle mae'r canllaw diffiniol!
- Mae'r rhestr yma'n un eitha da gan ei bod yn hawdd gweld os oes un yn anghywir! Os medrwn sicrhau fod y rhestr yma'n gywir o ran yr holl golofnau, yna mi fyddwn mewn lle da i ymosod ar ddata'r cyfrifiad pan y daw. Cofion cynnes! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 14:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)