Wikidata:Property proposal/Cadastral areas

Divided into cadastral areas

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place

   Not done

Description	List of cadastral areas of municipality
Represents	cadastral municipality (Q253326)
Data type	Item
Domain	item
Allowed values	cadastral municipality (Q253326)
Example 1	Boršov nad Vltavou (Q894336): Boršov nad Vltavou (Q110319826), Zahorčice u Vrábče (Q110319775) (more parts than CA)
Example 2	Dívčice (Q645185): Dívčice (Q110390726) (only one CA, five parts)
Example 3	Míšov (Q741186): Míšov (Q110186490), Míšov v Brdech (Q110186492) (more CA's than parts)
Planned use	Use on Wikipedia
See also	associated cadastral district (P10254), contains the administrative territorial entity (P150), contains settlement (P1383)

Motivation

Municipalities in some countries are divided to administrative parts and cadastral areas (CA). Sometimes are these diivisions equal, but sometimes not. There exists contains the administrative territorial entity (P150) for first type, and its opposite located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). Now we need opposite for associated cadastral district (P10254).

Example: Municipality Boršov nad Vltavou (Q894336) have two cadastral areas and four parts:

• cadastral area Boršov nad Vltavou (Q110319826)
  • part Q56413606
  • part Poříčí (Q2107211)
• cadastral area Zahorčice u Vrábče (Q110319775)
  • part Jamné (Q8552150)
  • part Zahorčice (Q8552178)

But there are also municipalities with many parts and only one CA, municipalities, where most parts are equals with CA, but in some CA exists more parts or municipalities, where is CA without settlement on it - this is why is not good to use contains settlement (P1383)

There is also possibility to use located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) with qualifiers, but this would make many queries and templates more complicated. There are situations, when municipality Foo have part Foo and CA Foo, but on CA Foo is also part Bar

• Foo (Q123)

  contains the administrative territorial entity (P150)

  • Foo (Q145 as part)
  • Bar (Q254 as part)
  • Foo (Q356 as CA)

As you can see, there is too much confusing Foos

On cs.wiki there is template {{Části obce}}, which lists for every municipality its parts using located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) and contains settlement (P1383). But CA are now connected with its municipality only by backlinks and cannot be listed with this template.

So i think, the best solution is to create new property for this

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Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic @Maincomb, Emu, Arbnos, MasterRus21thCentury:JAn Dudík (talk) 09:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support --Sapfan (talk) 11:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Daniel Baránek (talk) 11:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment I'd use associated cadastral district (P10254) directly as it has "associated" and not "located in" as label. --- Jura 12:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I just modified Boršov nad Vltavou (Q894336), because associated cadastral district (P10254) can be used in both directions. Is this what you need? Second, the template cs:Šablona:Části obce mentioned above does not exist. --Maincomb (talk) 17:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@Maincomb: Correct link is cs:template:Části české obce. I'll think about your usage, I'm afraid, these should be some issues with it. JAn Dudík (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Support --Zelenymuzik (talk) 09:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Info This seems to have been solved by associated cadastral district (P10254) which appears to be used in both directions. See eg. Q37009704. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Support —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• @JAn Dudík, Maincomb, Emu, Arbnos, MasterRus21thCentury: @Sapfan, Daniel Baránek, Jura1, Zelenymuzik: the above comments suggest that associated cadastral district (P10254) satisfies the need for this property, can you please respond on this question. Thanks.ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

  Probably yes JAn Dudík (talk) 19:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

  Closing this as associated cadastral district (P10254) is now used instead. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC)