Wikidata:Property proposal/PMSA ID

PMSA ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: PMSA ID (P8390) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Identifier for an artwork in the National Recording Project database of the Public Monuments & Sculpture Association, UK
Represents	PMSA National Recording Project database (Q96238460)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	sculpture (Q860861), work of art (Q838948)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Angel of the North (Q1325290) → 9556
Example 2	Bust of Nelson Mandela (Q22117590) → 1030
Example 3	Boulton, Watt and Murdoch (Q4949742) → 5805
Source	https://archive.pmsa.org.uk/national-recording-project/nrp/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Number of IDs in source	more than 9300
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://archive.pmsa.org.uk/pmsa-database/$1
See also	Art UK artwork ID (P1679)

Motivation

The PMSA NRP is a database of (some of the) public sculptures, artworks, and monuments in the UK. Since 2018 active recording and provenance research has been handed on to ArtUK's "Your Sculpture" project. But the PMSA's legacy database remains online, and would be a very useful addition to Wikidata. Of the three works given as examples, only one (Boulton, Watt and Murdoch (Q4949742)) currently has an item on the Art UK site, with (as yet) rather limited information [1]. In contrast the PMSA site gives much more extensive description, history, and information [2] with some further information on additional tabs.

It would be a useful addition to Wikidata, and of particular value to Wikidata:WikiProject_Public_art -- Jheald (talk) 12:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Proposed. Jheald (talk) 13:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Charles Matthews (talk) 14:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lirazelf (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Salgo60 (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm getting a SSL error because of an expired certificate date. It does worry me a bit: how big is the chance that this website will be taken offline in the near future? Husky (talk) 23:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Husky: It's certainly possible. It's the charity's "archive" website, rather than their current one. But, even though their project has been handed on to ArtUK, with luck it would stay up for some time - quite possibly for as long as the information was not available on the ArtUK website (as it isn't at the moment). Plus, we would still have any scrape we made. In addition, some of the pages were grabbed by the Wayback machine in their old location [3]; but, yes, it might well be worth systematically submitting the page URLs to the Wayback Machine for their current "arcbive" location. The topic is an area of UK Wikidata that's a lot weaker than it should be at the moment. Even though the PMSA database is very far from complete, and only covers some parts of the country at all, it would still be a very useful reference for strengthening this area. And if the data finally does go up on the ArtUK website, with luck it might be possible to walk across via the identifiers (and/or the choice of names used), if we've been able to do the matching against PMSA. Jheald (talk) 09:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jheald, Pigsonthewing, Charles Matthews, Lirazelf, Tagishsimon, Salgo60: @Husky: PMSA ID (P8390) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 20:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]