Wikidata:Property proposal/SIUSA archival fonds ID

SIUSA archival fonds ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: SIUSA archival fonds ID (P8342) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for an archival fonds in the Unified Information System for the Archival Superintendencies
Represents	SIUSA (Q63142852)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	fonds (Q3052382)
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Example 1	Silvio Gambini record group (Q62108727) → 196516
Example 2	Giovanni Grazzini record group (Q96180463) → 323046
Example 3	Fernando Agnoletti record group (Q96180498) → 274963
Source	https://siusa.archivi.beniculturali.it/cgi-bin/siusa/pagina.pl?RicVM=indice&RicSez=fondi + https://siusa.archivi.beniculturali.it/cgi-bin/siusa/pagina.pl?RicVM=indice&RicSez=complessi
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	slow and careful manual creation of new items, at least initially
Number of IDs in source	204389
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://siusa.archivi.beniculturali.it/cgi-bin/siusa/pagina.pl?TipoPag=comparc&Chiave=$1
See also	SIUSA archive producer person ID (P6715) SIUSA archive conservator ID (P8038)

Motivation

Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile Luckyz Francians Carlobia Ferdi2005 Luca.favorido Lemure Saltante Giacomo Alessandroni divudì Federica Gaspari Zwolfz Daniele Santini Bargioni Wiccio S4b1nuz E.656

Notified participants of WikiProject Italy CC-BY-SA database by Italian Ministry of Culture (Q1347047) regarding non-State archives of Italian personalities. SIUSA archive producer person ID (P6715) and SIUSA archive conservator ID (P8038) have already been created; this is more specific, since a very small number of items about archival fonds in Italy exist as of now, but could be useful in view of careful future creation of such items. --Epìdosis 15:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support assolutamente d'accordo --Camelia (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Camelia potremmo fare una giornata di edit solo su quelli femminili... più avanti.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Massì, vedo molte persone e famiglie  ;-) --Camelia (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

This is interesting, the ID itself shows a strong unbalance in the gender distribution of the people whose archives we organize at a national and local level. Such unbalance influences the availability of dedicated primary sources and later secondary and tertiary sources. Therefore a dedicated workshop/event might highlight the issue.--Alexmar983 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

•  Support --Afnecors (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
•  Support We have a lot of librarians learning Wikidata here in Tuscany. We plan to teach to them how to insert these items and we need good reliable IDs. We plan a good number of insertions over the next weeks. There are not a lot of items yet but in many areas all items of libraries and museums and archives are already created, so this level of detail is simply the next one.--Alexmar983 (talk)
•  Support--Parma1983 (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
•  Support --Fausta Samaritani (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
•  Support --Sentruper (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
•  Strong support --Yiyi .... (talk!) 19:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment E' necessario distinguere chiaramente tra fondo archivistico e fondo librario; il primo è composto da materiale archivistico; segnalo questa definizione mentre il secondo è composto da un insieme di libri fondo librario.definizione; entrambi possono esere depositati (posseduti da ) archivi, biblioteche o musei esempio. Susanna Giaccai (talk) 04:38, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

  @Giaccai: Vero, ma siccome nel database SIUSA sono costruiti collo stesso URL, la proprietà dev'essere unica. --Epìdosis 07:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

  @Epìdosis: d'accordo. Tieni presente che in SIUSA il termini fondo e il termine complesso archivistico paiono sinonimi, devo verificare entro fine mattinata. Esistono poi le serie e le sottoserie, sarebbe bene fare una corretta struttura gerarchica. Ciao Susanna Giaccai (talk) 07:59, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

  ho verificato: complesso archivistico è l'insieme di fondi presenti in un archivio; a loro volta i fondi sono suddivisi in serie e sottoserie; ma ci sono anche i sotto/fondi. la questione è un po' di lana caprina, Susanna Giaccai (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

  questo però impatta l'istanza che mettiamo qui, non l'uso dell'dentificativo. Cosa viene descritto in quella scheda è abbastanza univoco (e permette di fontare tantissimi dettagli), e questo ID è in linea con altri ID SIUSA già proposti. Sarà leggermente meno elegante di altri, ma è una proposta sostanzialmente solida alla fine.--Alexmar983 (talk) 23:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Camelia.boban, Alexmar983, Afnecors: @Parma1983, Fausta Samaritani, Sentruper, Yiyi: @Giaccai, Epìdosis:  Done