Wikidata

Wikidata:Property proposal/Travels and stay abroad

< Wikidata:Property proposal

travels and stay abroad edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

   Not done
DescriptionA period of time a person stays in one place (mostly abroad) for education purposes or work, which is not compliant with P551.
Representskunstnerkoloni
Data typeemne-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter"ophold i udlandet"
Domaingeographic places, groups
Allowed valueskolonier, byer/steder, institutioner
ExampleSkagen Painters (Q726483), Bornholm school of painters (Q4946127)
SourceWeilbachs Kunstnerleksikon
Planned useAlle kunstnere skal tilføjes deres udlands ophold hvis tilgængeligt (Se Weilbachs Kunstnerleksikon)
Robot and gadget jobsJa
See alsoresidence (P551), educated at (P69) - Both do not comply with this.
Motivation
This is especially notable for many artists (painters, for example) A period of time an artist stays in one place (mostly abroad) to educate him/herself or for his/her work. These stays can be years, months, or just weeks.
this is not compatible with residence (P551) and educated at (P69) fx. residence (P551) is a place where one "lives" - come home to. When you travel to - and stay 10 weeks in Berlin in a collective, or 6 months residence (P551) would not apply. When you travel around the world, and stay periods of time in several places, you still can have your home address registered, which is residence (P551).
residence (P551) is where you LIVE. The new property would be where you STAY AT.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodejong (talk • contribs).
We have work location (P937) with start and end date for the place where people work, wouldn't that do? If not what would be the difference and when should we use which? --Hannolans (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  • Agree with Hannolans re "work location" which should be evident enough to describe where someone is located. If it is permanent, it is called emigration/immigration and that should describe the act of departure or arrival, and for which we don't have a specific event type, and we would use significant event (P793). I don't see sufficient difference in requirement to concur with the need for a new property.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment re P551. In English the meaning of residence would allow for someone to reside at a place, and not to think of something as a physical building/location. If someone was living in Berlin for a year, I would call it a "residence" whether they have a piece of real estate in London where they family may be residing whether they own/rent/squat in either place. It would be helpful to ensure that the guidance for P551 clarified such.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Residence" as a noun has various meanings, "home" being the simplest. In some of these uses the person may not live in - or have ever visited one of their residences so the meaning is "a home" rather than home of the person involved.
Natural language is more likely to be "he made his home among the Wanamani" or "he lived in Paris for a while". Quite how long one needs to spend in a place for it to constitute "living there" vs "staying" or merely "visiting" is of course fuzzy. ("Wherever I hang my hat, that's my home.")
It's also not necessarily the case that these visits constitute "work" though they are often work, or education - consider the Grand Tour, or journeys in pursuit of hobbies, or honeymoons.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC).
In that case it the property could be something like 'visited'? And that can be a museum, concert, country, conference and anything else. --Hannolans (talk) 09:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Related Wikidata:Property proposal/place visited. Emijrp (talk) 08:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Travels_and_stay_abroad&oldid=597703592"