Wikidata:Property proposal/Ukrainian Cultural Heritage ID
код культурного наследия Украины
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
Not done
Description | identifier of the object of cultural heritage of Ukraine |
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Represents | cultural heritage site in Ukraine (Q10296658) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | heritage site (Q358) |
Example 1 | Lviv Theatre of Opera and Ballet (Q1246092)→46-101-1483 |
Example 2 | Kyiv Pechersk Lavra (Q242711)→80-382-9002 |
Example 3 | Derzhprom (Q1975624)→63-101-1019 |
Source | https://heritage.toolforge.org |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Planned use | in ru:Шаблон:Карточка |
Number of IDs in source | 50000+ |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Formatter URL | https://heritage.toolforge.org/api/api.php?action=search&format=html&srcountry=ua&srlang=uk&srid=$1 |
Robot and gadget jobs | Mix'x'match |
See also | cultural properties of Belarus reference number (P632), kulturnoe-nasledie.ru ID (P1483) |
Applicable "stated in"-value | cultural heritage site in Ukraine (Q10296658) |
Single-value constraint | yes |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Wikidata project | WikiProject Ukraine (Q10780973), WikiProject Cultural heritage (Q69901417) |
Motivation
editUkraine within the 1991 borders is the largest country in terms of area located entirely in Europe. Its territories were part of Russia, Poland, Austria-Hungary and other states, which in turn had a strong impact on the development of Ukrainian architecture. This has resulted in a diverse and rich cultural heritage of the country - from medieval castles in the west of the country to Stalinist architecture in the central and southeastern parts of the country. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
edit- Notified participants of WikiProject Ukraine, WikiProject Cultural heritage has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 10:42, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note that this identifier is not a governmental ID. It is generated by Wikimedian on-wiki and may change without notice. The associated link is fed from Ukrainian Wikipedia and is updated irregularly. Unfortunately Ukraine has no single governmental ID and even existing governmental IDs contain duplicates, which is why Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine is using a user-generated ID instead. I think this property will be more difficult to maintain than its use: it is user-generated so it should not be used on Wikipedia in articles, but it might be useful for Commons — NickK (talk) 11:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I guess calling this a Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine ID or something would be a be a better idea in that case we would retain ownership of it and be able to change it if necessary. I wonder what would be the best way to also support WLE Ukraine IDs though, as potentially we might want to have a single ID system, at least initially the IDs were planned to be like that I believe and thus use the same format. --Base (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Question Так что стоит ли свойство переделывать или закрывать обсуждение вовсе? MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know, depends on what you were planning when you opened this discussion. Maybe discuss with those who want to use it in ru:Шаблон:Карточка: what do they want to use there? — NickK (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Хорошо, тогда соглашусь с Вашим предложением. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know, depends on what you were planning when you opened this discussion. Maybe discuss with those who want to use it in ru:Шаблон:Карточка: what do they want to use there? — NickK (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Support. --Erokhin (talk) 08:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Kirilloparma:, Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 05:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MasterRus21thCentury: Is this proposal still relevant? I thought that Wiki Loves Monuments ID (P2186) solved the problem? — NickK (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- @NickK, я вообще веду речь об отдельном идентификаторе для украинских объектов культурного наследия наподобие российского, белорусского, польского и других. Он имеется в w:ru:Шаблон:Памятник культурного наследия Украины. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 08:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- А зачем вам отдельный? Почему не обойтись общим? В случае с российским и белорусским там официальные государственные номера, насколько я понимаю, здесь же идентификатор придуманный мною или NickK (или может кем-то еще из участников). Поэтому этот ID можно записать в общий. А если и делать отдельный, то для государственного номера из реестра культурного наследия.--Ahonc (talk) 10:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Ahonc. It might make sense to add an identifier in the official government register (e.g. for Lviv Theatre of Opera and Ballet (Q1246092) it will be 1264, and for Kyiv Pechersk Lavra (Q242711) it will be both 260088 and 893-Кв), but there will be no link because the Ukrainian monument register is not yet fully digitised. We might use e-pamiatka instead, but so far it's in beta with terrible identifiers, e.g. for Lviv Theatre of Opera and Ballet (Q1246092) it's https://arches.e-pamiatka.gov.ua/report/3826f394-78e6-4483-b2f8-3ae770a2bade . That page does show a human-readable identifier 1264, but there is no way to back-link because e-pamiatka knows at least 13 monuments with identifier 1264: https://arches.e-pamiatka.gov.ua/search?paging-filter=1&tiles=true&format=tilecsv&reportlink=false&precision=6&total=119682&language=*&term-filter=%5B%7B%22context%22%3A%22%22%2C%22context_label%22%3A%22Heritage-0001%20-%20ObjectProtectiveNumber%22%2C%22id%22%3A0%2C%22text%22%3A%221264%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22term%22%2C%22value%22%3A%221264%22%2C%22inverted%22%3Afalse%7D%5D . So there is unfortunately no easy solution — NickK (talk) 11:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- @NickK, я вообще веду речь об отдельном идентификаторе для украинских объектов культурного наследия наподобие российского, белорусского, польского и других. Он имеется в w:ru:Шаблон:Памятник культурного наследия Украины. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 08:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MasterRus21thCentury: Is this proposal still relevant? I thought that Wiki Loves Monuments ID (P2186) solved the problem? — NickK (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done, @MasterRus21thCentury, Base, Erokhin, NickK, Ahonc: no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)