Wikidata:Property proposal/code name

code name

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

   Done: code name (P10643) (Talk and documentation)

Description	code word or name used, sometimes clandestinely, to refer to another name, word, project, or person; mainly for military purposes, or in espionage
Represents	code name (Q590490)
Data type	Monolingual text
Domain	item (human (Q5))
Example 1	Andrej Babiš (Q10819807) → Bureš (used by (P1535)StB (Q2164269), source: https://www.upn.gov.sk/projekty/regpro/zobraz/?typ=kraj&kniha=75&strana=18&zaznam=68924)
Example 2	Martin Schlaff (Q85905) → Landgraf (used by (P1535)Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Q153846))
Example 3	Ludvík Svoboda (Q310000) → Hroznatínský (used by (P1535)Czechoslovak army in exile (Q103439421), source: http://www.vuapraha.cz/soldier/20520342)
See also	nickname (P1449): informal name (for a pseudonym use P742) pseudonym (P742): alias used by someone (for nickname use P1449) working title (P1638): temporary name of a product or project used during its development NATO reporting name (P561): official reporting name assigned by the ASCC for NATO use

Motivation

There is only nickname (P1449) for now, which is intended for publicly used nicknames. The new property is intended for code names created by secret services or armies, which were secret and the person concerned often didn't know the code name. For now, there are almost 10,000 items with code name created by the Czechoslovak secret police, which inaccurately use nickname (P1449) instead of the proposed "code name" property. --Daniel Baránek (talk) 06:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Notification:

Tobias1984 Vojtěch Dostál YjM Jklamo Walter Klosse Sintakso Matěj Suchánek JAn Dudík Skim Frettie Jura1913 Mormegil Jedudedek marv1N Sapfan Daniel Baránek Draceane Michal Josef Špaček (WMCZ) The photonaut Hartasek Zelenymuzik Gumruch Shadster Dænča M.Rejha Janek Jan Kameníček Eva Vele Linda.jansova Lukša Packa Fukejs Hugo Xmorave2 J.Broukal Lenkakrizova Steam Flow Pavel Bednařík Sanqui

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic --Daniel Baránek (talk) 08:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support --Zelenymuzik (talk) 11:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Okino (talk) 12:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support with some ajustements
  • It's not just the Czech Republic that is concerned, so other examples and notifications might be adequate.
  • It's not just Q5, eg : Operation Desert Storm (Q2349281) → Desert Storm (see Category:Code names (Q8386092))
  • The reference must be mandatory, at least recommended.
  • Sometimes an item on this subject already exists, I don't know how to manage it: Mark Felt (Q348122) → Deep Throat (Deep Throat (Q301486))
  • Possible qualifier : named after (P138) — eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 17:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    • @Eru: Thanks for the comments. I agree with all of them. References at least recommended. --Daniel Baránek (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    • FYI: there is pseudonym (Q61002) too. Skim (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support Jedudědek (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support with eru's adjustments. This is definitely beyond the scope of CZ project. --YjM | _d^c 20:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support, agree with eru --Sapfan (talk) 05:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose in addition to nickname (P1449) we also have pseudonym (P742) which already specifies "code name" as a potential use. The use for a specific military (Czech secret police) can be added as qualifiers. Would that not be sufficient? --Hannes Röst (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Hi Hannes Röst, I think pseudonym (P742) should only be apply on Q5, the codename could be for anything, generaly Q5, projet, military operation... (I don't know why award (Q618779) is allowed on pseudonym (P742) ) — eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 07:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Hi Eru, right now all examples are only Q5 and the proposal needs to be changed to accomodate that. Also, what is the point of Operation Desert Storm (Q2349281) → Desert Storm ? If the codename is equal to the name of the item I wonder what the point is of using the property at all? --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

      Because a multinational force's operations might become known by the US and/or local name, but might have other code names, e.g. the first Gulf War is not just Operation Desert Storm but also Operation Granby, the intervention in Libya is Operation Harmattan (France), Operation Odyssey Dawn (US), Operation Mobile (Canada), Operation Ellamy (UK) and Operation Unified Protector (NATO) at the same time. Ari T. Benchaim ^(talk) 00:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Comment there is also Property:P1638 with the English label "codename". For Nato codenames, there is NATO reporting name (P561). --- Jura 11:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment why not change the scope of Property:P1638 for all sorts of projects, facilities etc including military ones and use Property:P742 for codenames used for humans? --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
  • We should avoid rescoping entities. That property is for a "temporary name of a product or project used during its development". This has nothing to do with what is proposed here. Obviously the label issue needs to be addressed (to avoid having two properties with nearly identical labels in English). See type locality (biology) (P5304) and type locality (geology) (P2695) for how it can be done. Inclusion in pseudonym (P742) doesn't seem impossible. --- Jura 09:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose Let's just use working title (P1638) and pseudonym (P742), as suggested (I would also be OK with just using working title (P1638) for human (Q5)). — The Erinaceous One 🦔 07:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support – working title (P1638) seems to be quite specific for codenames in the creative industries. Codenames are used widely in other fields, e.g. Anadyr → Cuban Missile Crisis (Q128160) (ok, not strictly, but you get the idea), Cheget → Cheget (Q4536309), and we have Operation Iraqi Freedom, Op Telic, Operazione Antica Babilonia, and so on → Iraq War (Q545449). Code names may pertain to objects but also to projects (e.g. OXCART was the code name not for the U-2 aircraft but its development, Project AZORIAN was the code name for obtaining the Soviet K-129 sub), events, locations (ABERDEEN → Manhton (Q15244801)), abstract concepts like phase lines (e.g. Battle of Phase Line Bullet (Q3636571)) and closed cities in the Eastern Bloc (e.g. Tomsk-7 → Seversk (Q193909)). This would be a really useful attribute to have (although for NATO reporting names, which are NOT code names, I would stick to NATO reporting name (P561)). Pseudonyms are different from code names in that a pseudonym is an 'equivalent name', a personal name used in lieu of another personal name (e.g. Herbert Frahm → Willy Brandt (Q2514)). A code name for, say, a military operation is not a pseudonym, but the actual name of the thing. There is no 'other' name to it the way there is for a pseudonymous author or a soldier using a nom de guerre or kunya. Ari T. Benchaim ^(talk) 00:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Kolja21 (talk) 12:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Daniel Baránek, Zelenymuzik, Okino, Eru, Skim, Jedudedek:, @YjM, Sapfan, Hannes Röst, Ari T. Benchaim, Jura1, The-erinaceous-one:, @Kolja21:  Done: code name (P10643) —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)