Wikidata:Property proposal/counts instances of

counts instances of edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Done: counts instances of (P10927) (Talk and documentation)

Description	this counter word or numeral counts instances of
Represents	classifier (Q63153) & numeral (Q63116)
Data type	Item
Domain	sense
Allowed values	must be a class
Example 1	人/にん (L680847) (S1) → counts instances of → human (Q5)
Example 2	本/ほん (L679421) (S2) → counts instances of → telephone call (Q2296401)
Example 3	本/ほん (L679421) (S3) → counts instances of → home run (Q534851)
Example 4	つ (L625739) (S1) → counts instances of → number (Q11563)
Example 5	一泊/いっぱく (L689124) (S1) → counts instances of → overnight stay (Q3346212) → quantity (P1114) → 1
Example 6	冊/さつ (L626182) (S1) → counts instances of → book (Q571)
Example 7	丁/ちょう (L689194) (S1) → counts instances of → long and narrow object (Q113383399)
Example 8	只 (L689314) (S1) → counts instances of → animal (Q729)
Example 9	ਦਾਣਾ/داݨہ/دانہ (L689357) (S1) → counts instances of → cereals and pseudocereals (Q2643145) → quantity (P1114) → 1
Number of IDs in source	~257 🤷 (for Japanese)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation edit

Notified participants of WikiProject Japan

A property for lexemes that are counters words or that contain a numeral+counter. the object must be a class. please pay special attention to example 5 and 7. 5 points to a specific number of instances and 7 points to a specific class only created to suit this statement. There will be a need for other specific classes like small animal or big animal-- Loominade (talk) 11:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

This property should probably be enlarged to include Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese classifiers, too. NMaia (talk) 00:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- yes, agreed. I removed all references to japanese from the proposal. Can you or anyone provide examples for languages other then Japanese? --Loominade (talk) 07:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  I think Thai also uses classifiers. I will try to add examples for Vietnamese later. Pamputt (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Here is a Punjabi example: ਦਾਣਾ/داݨہ/دانہ (L689357) (S1) › cereals and pseudocereals (Q2643145), quantity (P1114) › 1. --Middle river exports (talk) 14:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Chinese example: 只 (L689314) counts instance of animal (Q729). 0xDeadbeef (talk) 11:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: if classifier (P5978) can already be used for linking a classifier from an object, do we need this inverse property? --Middle river exports (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disregard - I missed that this refers to an item rather than another lexeme sense. --Middle river exports (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --Middle river exports (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. However, some Japanese numerals (such as 個/こ (L625738), 本/ほん (L679421), and 枚/まい (L626242)) are too broadly adaptable, so it is difficult to determine how to limit them. --Okkn (talk) 09:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Loominade, NMaia, Pamputt, Middle river exports, 0xDeadbeef, Okkn:--GZWDer (talk) 06:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]