Wikidata:Property proposal/course
course edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
| Description | Course type of a food dish (Appetizer, Dessert, Drink, Main course, Salad, Side dish) |
|---|---|
| Represents | course (Q14915034) |
| Data type | Item |
| Template parameter | course in en:Template:Infobox_food |
| Domain | Any food that uses en:Template:Infobox_food for which a course field is applicable. |
| Allowed values | hors-d'œuvre (Q96749544), amuse-bouche (Q481774), first course (Q11942732), soup (Q41415), appetizer (Q1628963), salad (Q9266), fish as food (Q600396), main course (Q772630), palate cleanser (Q16911615), dessert (Q182940), antipasto (Q622440), digestif (Q1344463), zakuski (Q303956) |
| Example 1 | pasta (Q178) → first course (Q11942732) |
| Example 2 | goulash (Q205762) → soup (Q41415) |
| Example 3 | pirog (Q858627) → zakuski (Q303956) |
| Example 4 | catless (Q84087415) → amuse-bouche (Q481774) |
| Source | en:Template:Infobox_food, en:Italian_meal_structure, en:French_cuisine, en:Russian_cuisine Full Course Meals Explained |
| Planned use | Categorize foods, and remove subclass/instanceof confusion in foods. |
Motivation edit
Out of all pages that use en:Template:Infobox_food, I found 32.3% use the course field (1957 articles). Despite this, there is currently no standard way to categorize the courses in Wikidata. A search for some of the associated allowed values shows a big mess. When we ignore the obvious cases where course wouldn't fit, it seems that there's a real need for such a property, as people really will put it everywhere. Notable placements include: has use (P366), has part(s) (P527), foods traditionally associated (P868), category combines topics (P971), subclass of (P279), said to be the same as (P460), category's main topic (P301), part of (P361), instance of (P31), made from material (P186), item for this sense (P5137), main subject (P921), product or material produced or service provided (P1056).
I think there should be a well defined set of courses (my suggested values aren't optimal). This set will include all the answers to the following question: "when/as part of what do you eat this?". Russians eat zakuski (Q303956) at the same time as the french eat hors-d'œuvre (Q96749544), maybe both could be categorized a subclass of appetizer (Q1628963). The goal would be to find all the "base classes" that constitute a course. Alex.osheter (talk) 00:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Discussion edit
Support Sure. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)- Support Germartin1 (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Support except that multiple properties should be allowed, e.g. Pasta can be a main course or a first course (depends on country). --Hannes Röst (talk) 20:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment perhaps the label should be "typical course" to be explicit that this isn't universally true at all times (similar to typically sells (P7163)). --SilentSpike (talk) 11:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)- Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 15:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
