Wikidata:Property proposal/declared patrimony
declared patrimony edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
Not done
Motivation edit
It is part of the completness and transparency of the Brazilian election process that should be publicy known the total wealth of a candidate. They are required to provide to the Supreme Court detailed information about the wealth they have. Also, apart from elections, this property might be used to other items of humans, business etc, not only brazilian politicians. It is similar to net worth (P2218), but now with declared by the subject of the item itself to an reputed or governmental source and with source and date required. What do you guys think? Ederporto (talk) 15:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Discussion edit
Support Sturm (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)- Support EricaAzzellini (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 06:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Oppose use net worth (P2218), qualified with determination method (P459) using an item representing "declared patrimony for Brazilian elections", or whatever. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Hi there. I understand what you mean, but I am a not sure net worth (P2218) as it stands is actually a good property for what is being proposed here. This property is combining in itself two distinct ideas: a value and a method, that is, 'net worth' and 'estimate'. This method (estimation) is not compatible with the property that is being requested here, as what you would have from this case is "self-declared net worth", which is not an estimate but a precise number that the agent himself/herself publicizes in the context of the Brazilian law of political transparency (it should not be taken as an estimate at all). So, here, we should either work on improving P2218 or a distinct property is needed, IMO. I am fine either way, but until this cleaning is done --which might entail involving community members who were involved in setting up P2218, my sense is that a new property should be created as we need it to structure data from elections in Brazil, so: Support. --Joalpe (talk) 14:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Hi there. I understand what you mean, but I am a not sure net worth (P2218) as it stands is actually a good property for what is being proposed here. This property is combining in itself two distinct ideas: a value and a method, that is, 'net worth' and 'estimate'. This method (estimation) is not compatible with the property that is being requested here, as what you would have from this case is "self-declared net worth", which is not an estimate but a precise number that the agent himself/herself publicizes in the context of the Brazilian law of political transparency (it should not be taken as an estimate at all). So, here, we should either work on improving P2218 or a distinct property is needed, IMO. I am fine either way, but until this cleaning is done --which might entail involving community members who were involved in setting up P2218, my sense is that a new property should be created as we need it to structure data from elections in Brazil, so:
- Oppose P2218 should do. --- Jura 15:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. Qualifiers can add information to P2218 as necessary. --Yair rand (talk) 03:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)